14:16:28 THIS INFORMATION ENCAPS LATE BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS. 14:16:32 SO 119 PEOPLE 14:16:37 , 26 I UNDERSTAND KATED THEY WANT TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY, 14:16:40 ALL 36 INDICATED MAYBE. 14:16:44 68 INDIVIDUALS WHY CALLED UPON TO TESTIFY. 14:16:47 AND 19 ACTUALLY PROVIDED TESTIMONY. 14:16:53 NINE INDIVIDUALS IN PERSON AND 12 INDIVIDUALS PROVIDED TESTIMONY VIRTUALLY. 14:17:04 24 INDIVIDUALS TESTIFIED. ABOUT FIVE LESS TESTIFIED THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR. 14:17:17 I WENT AHEAD WITH THE VARIOUS BUCKETS, 14:17:20 BUSINESSED OFF OF THEIR TESTIMONY. THIS FIRST 14:17:23 PART RIGHT HERE, IS FOR THE ACTUAL PUBLIC TESTIMONY. 14:17:29 LOOKING AGENT WRITTEN TESTIMONY, I'LL START LATER 14:17:32 ON, 17 PEOPLE PROVIDED WRITTEN TESTIMONY 14:17:36 COMPARED TO 13 PEOPLE PROVIDING TESTIMONY IN 2022. 14:17:41 THAT KIND OF EVENS OUT THE PARTICIPATION 14:17:45 IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. OF THOSE 14:17:48 WHO WROTE IN, 13 ADVOCATED FOR LANDLORD 14:17:51 ISSUES AND FOUR FOR TENANT ISSUES. 14:17:57 I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THE THEMES OF WHAT WE SAW. 14:18:03 FROM THAT TESTIMONY. AND I ORDERED 14:18:06 THE THEMES BASED OFF OF 14:18:10 PREVALENCE, MEANING THAT THE 14:18:13 HIGHER UPDATE THE MORE PEOPLE ADVOCATED FOR THEM. 14:18:16 THE BIGGEST ISSUE WAS THE EXPERIENCE BY LANDLORDS. 14:18:22 ADVOCATES TESTIFIED, INDICATED THAT THE 14:18:25 COMPLEXITY IS TENANT PROTECTION LAWS HAVE CREATED 14:18:29 BARRIERS TO PROVIDING RENTAL HOUSING. 14:18:34 SPECIFIC REASONS CITED INCLUDES THE COMPLEXITY OF THE 14:18:37 LOCAL PORTLAND CITY CODE VERSUS STATE LAW, A FEELING OF BEING 14:18:40 VILIFIED IN PUBLIC, DIFFICULTY ASSOCIATED WITH THE 14:18:44 EVICTION PROCESS, TENANT PROTECTIONS, 14:18:47 ENACTED BY THE FAIR ORDINANCE. THIS WAS MENTIONED THE MOST. 14:18:54 IT WAS A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE. 14:18:58 MENTIONED BY I WOULD SAY A MAJORITY OF 14:19:01 WRITTEN TESTIMONY THAT I READ. 14:19:05 I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AS SOMETHING WE CAN CIRCLE BACK TO. 14:19:17 LENGTHY AND NONTRANSPARENT PROCESS WERE CITED. 14:19:26 LANDLORDS INDICATED THE BARRIERS MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO BUILD 14:19:29 AND MAINTAIN HOUSING IN THE CITY OF PORTLAND. 14:19:34 THEY ARE OUTSOURCED TO PROPERTY 14:19:37 MANAGEMENT COMPANY, PLACING THEM WITH THE 14:19:40 LANDLORDS, AND INCREASED RENTS 14:19:43 PARTICULARLY WHEN THE PROPERTIES ARE OUTSOURCED TO PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY. 14:19:48 SOME PROPOSED SOLUTIONS INCLUDE 14:19:51 REVISING THE FAIR ORDINANCE, THIS WAS FAIRLY PREVALENT. 14:19:55 REVAMPING THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO 14:19:58 ALLOW FOR EASIER DEVELOPMENT, 14:20:01 REEVALUATING INCLUSIONARY ZONING, AND HOLDING LOCAL 14:20:05 LEADERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR FUNDING RENT ASSISTANCE. 14:20:13 NEXT SUPPORT FOR TENANTS AS NEEDED. 14:20:20 ONE LISTED OFF WHAT THEY WERE, RELATING TO OFFERING MORE SUPPORT FOR TENANTS. 14:20:25 ON THAT GRACE PERIOD, BEGINNING OF THE 14:20:29 LEASE TO ALLOW A TENANT TO BACK OUT WITH 14:20:32 PENALTY, INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BEHAVIORAL 14:20:36 HEALTH SERVICES, INCENTIVIZE SECOND CHANCE 14:20:39 LANDLORDS WHO OFFER TRAUMA INFORMED CARE 14:20:42 AND REDUCE EXPERIENCE TO HOUSING, 14:20:45 FULLY FUND LEGAL DEFENSE PROGRAM 14:20:48 AND THAT'S RENT STABILIZATION LEGISLATION, 14:20:51 RENTS ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, SUBSIDIZE THE HOUSING 14:20:55 APPLICATIONS, AND FORBID LANDLORD HARASSMENT, 14:20:58 SOMETHING WE HAVE DISCUSSED SEVERAL TIMES IN THIS BODY. 14:21:05 LANDLORD EDUCATION WAS ALSO ON THE LIST. THIS WAS NOT JUST 14:21:09 RELATING TO EDUCATION ON THE LAWS 14:21:12 BUT EDUCATION IN BEING A SUPPORTIVE LANDLORD. 14:21:17 MULTIPLE MEMBERS HAD A NEED FOR LANDLORD 14:21:20 COURSES, TOPICS CENTERED ON LANDLORD-TENANT 14:21:24 LAW AND HOW TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, RESOURCES TO 14:21:27 TENANTS, AND ASSIST WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING APPLICATION. 14:21:33 AND CONTRACTS OUT TO 14:21:36 OFFER COURSES FOR LANDLORDS ON 14:21:40 LANDLORD-TENANT LAW BUT THE REST TALKED ABOUT PROVIDE 14:21:43 AFFORDABLE HOUSING, PROVIDE RESOURCES TO TENANTS, 14:21:47 IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. 14:21:52 COORDINATE EFFORTS BETWEEN LANDLORDS AND TENANTS, 14:21:55 SEVERAL MENTIONED THE IMPORTANCE OF 14:21:59 LANDLORD/TENANT COOPERATION, COORDINATING AND REALLY 14:22:03 IT WAS CENTERED AROUND BUILDING 14:22:06 RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN TWO STAKE HOLDERS IS. THIS BODY AND 14:22:09 THE MENTAL SOURCES OFFICE, AIMS TO SERVE LANDLORDS AND TENANTS. 14:22:15 SEEING THAT THEIR 14:22:18 RELATIONSHIP REALLY IS PART OF THE SOLUTION TO THE HOUSING CRISIS WE'RE IN. 14:22:29 INCREASE THE FREY EVENS OF LANDLORD ADVOCATES 14:22:32 ON THE RENTAL SERVICE COMMISSION. THAT WAS MENTIONED BY THREE INDIVIDUALS, 14:22:35 I THOUGHT IT WAS NOTEWORTHY TO PLACE ON THIS DOCUMENT. 14:22:42 NEXT STEPS -- OKAY. 14:22:46 AFTER HEARING THE THEMES OF THIS 14:22:49 DOCUMENT, WHAT ARE SOME THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS, 14:22:53 KENT WEE AROUND THIS -- WE HAVE AROUND THIS. I'LL STOP SHARING MY SCREEN. 14:23:10 AMBER? 14:23:14 >> EXCELLENT. 14:23:18 THE OBSERVATION THAT 14:23:21 RENTAL SERVICES COMMISSION NEEDS MORE LANDLORD REPRESENTATION IS 14:23:24 CLEARLY BASED ON THE FACT THAT OF THE 14:23:27 COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE PRESENT FOR THE LISTENING SESSION THE 14:23:30 MAJORITY OF US WERE HOUSING ADVOCATES VERSUS 14:23:34 LANDLORD ADVOCATES. THAT'S BASED 14:23:37 ON -- THAT'S SITUATIONAL. THAT IS NOT 14:23:40 -- DOES NOT APPLY TO THE COMMISSION AS IT STANDS. 14:23:44 IF ANYTHING, I WILL HAPPILY SAY AND 14:23:47 VOCALLY SAY THAT IF ANYTHING THE COMMISSION NOW HAS 14:23:51 A MUCH MORE FAIR REPRESENTATION OF HOUSING 14:23:54 TO LANDLORD INTERESTS THAN IT HAS IN THE PAST. 14:23:57 THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, AMBER. 14:24:01 REGINA? 14:24:04 >> YEAH, WELL AMBER COVERED THE FIRST THING I WAS GOING TO SAY. 14:24:08 WE WEREN'T IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO PEOPLE AT THELYNING SESSION. 14:24:12 I WANTED TO SAY WAIT, WAIT, THERE'S A NUMBER 14:24:15 OF US WHO REPRESENT LANDLORDS IN VARIOUS CAPACITIES. 14:24:20 BUT A NUMBER OF US ALSO REPRESENT 14:24:24 -- WORK CLOSELY WITH THE TENANT SIDE AS WELL. 14:24:28 I THINK -- NOT SURE WHAT THE RESOLUTION, IF THERE WAS A 14:24:31 WAY, BUT IT WAS, YEAH, LIKE 14:24:34 AMBER SAID THOSE OF US WHO ARE PRESENT MAYBE IT LOOKED LIKE 14:24:37 THE TENANT SIDE WAS OVERREPRESENTED. 14:24:44 I AGREE WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE GROUP ON BOTH SIDES. 14:24:49 AS POSITIONS OPEN UP ON THE COMMISSION, 14:24:53 PEOPLE ARE WELCOME TO APLAY. AND I THINK ONE 14:24:56 PERSON WHO GAVE TESTIMONY SAID SHE WAS DISCOURAGED FROM APPLYING 14:24:59 TO THE COMMISSION, THERE WERE SO MUCH TENANT REPRESENTATIVES. I 14:25:02 THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S A PERFECT REASON TO APPLY 14:25:05 IF YOU'RE A LANDLORD REPRESENTATIVE. 14:25:09 IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO PROVIDE PEOPLE WITH MORE CONTEXT. 14:25:13 I KNOW WE REALLY -- THERE'S A 14:25:16 NUMBER OF US WHO REPRESENT THE LANDLORD SIDE OR HISTORY ON THAT 14:25:19 SIDE. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY, SO MANY PEOPLE SEEM 14:25:22 LIKE THEY SIGNED UP TO GIVE TESTIMONY, BUT RELATIVELY FEW PEOPLE DID. 14:25:29 THAT IS A BIT DISHEARTENING. SO MANY REASONS WHY IT WOULD HAPPEN. 14:25:36 I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO CONSIDER LISTENING SESSIONS 14:25:39 TWICE A YEAR TO GIVE -- PROVIDE A SECOND 14:25:43 OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO SIGN UP. 14:25:46 IT WAUS 14:25:50 SO WONDERFUL TO HAVE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY THAT WE DID AND A LOT MORE 14:25:53 PEOPLE WANTED TO GIVE TESTIMONY, FOR WHATEVER REASON DIDN'T. IT 14:25:56 WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS SURPRISED BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO SIGNED 14:25:59 UP COMPARED TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO SPOKE 14:26:02 OR PROVIDED WRITTEN TESTIMONY. 14:26:05 >> THANK YOU. LAURA? 14:26:12 >> CHRISTINA WAS BEFORE ME. >> I'M SORRY, 14:26:17 CHRISTINA, GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU 14:26:20 FOR PUTTING IN THAT NOTE, pippa. 14:26:28 THIS TOPIC, IDEA, THAT THERE ISN'T A 14:26:32 BALANCED REPRESENTATION ON THIS COMMISSION HAS 14:26:35 REARED ITSELF IN MORE THAN ONE FORUM. 14:26:47 IT'S COME UP ENOUGH THAT IT'S WORTH 14:26:51 HAVING PAUSE AND CURIOSITY. I APPRECIATE 14:26:54 THAT CALLOUT THAT pippa OFFERED 14:26:57 AROUND HOW MANY FOLKS ACTUALLY DO, LIKE, OWN PROPERTY. 14:27:06 IF IT IS WORDS TAKING A LOOK AT HOW EVERYONE FALLED. 14:27:11 YES IT IS OPEN FOR APPLICATION BUT IF THERE 14:27:14 NEEDS TO BE INTENTIONAL REACHOUT 14:27:17 TO GET PARTICIPATION. 14:27:22 >> THANK YOU CHRISTINA. BY SOME OF YOUR 14:27:26 COMMENTS, I KNOW YOU CAN'T RAISE YOUR HAND, DO YOU WANT 14:27:29 TO SPEAK NOW OR CHECK IN WITH YOUR COMMENT OUT LOUD? 14:27:35 >> I THINK MY POINT IS MADE WHICH FOR THOSE 14:27:38 OF THAT YOU CAN'T READ IT, WHAT I SAID 14:27:41 IS THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON THAT I KNOW OF IN MY 14:27:45 CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE, AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE HAD 14:27:48 HERE, THAT ACTUALLY OWNS PROPERTY. THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE. 14:27:53 MASSIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SIMPLY REPRESENTING PROPERTY WHERE YOUR 14:27:57 LIVELIHOOD IS DEPENDENT ON INCOME FROM 14:28:00 WHATEVER PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY OR NONPROFIT THAT YOU WORK 14:28:03 FOR, WHAT HAVE YOU. VERSUS ACTUALLY OWNING THE 14:28:06 PROPERTY WHERE YOUR LIVELIHOOD IS DEPENDENT ON RENT. 14:28:10 I AM A PERSON WHO USED TO OWN PROPERTY BUT BECAUSE OF A LOT 14:28:13 OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE MENTIONED I SOLD 14:28:16 MY PROPERTIES BECAUSE IT WAS SIMPLY TOO ONEROUS TO 14:28:19 PROVIDE HOUSING, WHICH I DID FOR 25 YEARS AND VERY PROUDLY. 14:28:23 I DON'T ANYMORE. WHEN I CAME ON TO THE COMMISSION I 14:28:26 WAS BROUGHT ON BECAUSE I OWNED SOME PROPERTY AND I WORKED IN HOMELESSNESS. 14:28:30 I HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF MANY SIDES OF THIS ISSUE. 14:28:34 BUT I KNOW LONGER OWN PROPERTY. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT. 14:28:38 I THINK IAN MENTIONED THAT HE OWNED SOME KIND OF PROPERTY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS. 14:28:43 BUT HE MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE. I 14:28:46 FIRMLY BELIEVE, ABSOLUTELY, THAT IF THE GOAL 14:28:49 OF THIS COMMISSION IS TO CREATE A 14:28:52 DIALOGUE BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO OWN HOUSING AND 14:28:55 PEOPLE WHO RENT HOUSING, THAT THIS 14:28:58 COMMISSION IS LITERALLY MOOT IF ONLY ONE SIDE IS BEING REPRESENTED. 14:29:05 >> THANK YOU, pippa. LAURA? 14:29:09 >> YEAH, THANK YOU, Pippa, APPRECIATE THAT. 14:29:12 I THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT JUSTIN AND I TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF THIS ISSUE. 14:29:20 ONE IS MORE CLEARLY IDENTIFY ING 14:29:26 AFFILIATION SAFFILIATIONS ON THE 14:29:30 BIOPAGE OF THE 14:29:36 COMMISSIONER WEBSITE, TO YOUR POINT, PIPPA, SO 14:29:39 AND SO WORKED FOR A 14:29:43 PROJECT THAT SUPPORTS LOW INCOME TENANTS. 14:29:48 REGINA WORKS FOR REACH THAT PROVIDES 14:29:52 AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT 14:29:56 AND CLIENT SUPPORT. 14:30:00 JUST TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON 14:30:03 WHAT EACH OF US DO AND 14:30:07 WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, THEN ON 14:30:10 THE ASPECT OF THE GETTING FOLKS 14:30:14 WHO ARE HOUSING OWNERS -- OWNERS 14:30:17 OF HOUSING THAT THEY RENT AS WELL AS 14:30:21 PROPERTY OWNERS 14:30:26 AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE 14:30:28 WHO TESTIFIED AT THE 14:30:31 LISTENING SESSION THAT I FELT LIKE I WANTED TO REACH OUT TO THEM 14:30:35 DIRECTLY AND SAY I INVITE YOU TO 14:30:39 DO AN APPLICATION BECAUSE YOUR VOICE WOULD BE 14:30:42 GOOD TO HAVE AT THE TABLE. I DO THINK THIS IS 14:30:45 THE MOST BALANCED THAT WE HAVE BEEN SINCE THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING. 14:30:50 AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN KEEP IT THAT WAY. 14:30:55 MY TWO CENTS. >> THANK YOU, LAURA. 14:31:00 VIVIAN? 14:31:05 >> SO I DO JUST -- I WANT TO POINT OUT THE 14:31:08 COMMISSIONERS DON'T CONTROL THE MAKEUP OF THE COMMISSION. 14:31:13 SMALLER LANDLORDS ARE FREE TO APPLY TO BE A PART OF THE COMMISSION. 14:31:17 AND THE COMPLAINT THAT THIS 14:31:21 IMBALANCE, IS JUST BETTER DIRECTED TO CITY COUNCIL 14:31:24 AND TO THE 14:31:27 -- WELL TO CARBON RUBIO, I 14:31:31 BELIEVE, WOULD BE THE ONE APPROVING NEW COMMISSIONERS. 14:31:35 IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF AT A FUTURE LISTENING 14:31:39 SESSION, THAT INFORMATION COULD BE PROVIDED TO PEOPLE SO THAT 14:31:42 THEY'RE NOT MISDIRECTING THEIR PLEAS FOR REDRESS. 14:31:51 AND THEN I HAVE MORE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE WHAT WAS CONVEYED. 14:31:57 BUT I WANT TO SECOND REGINA'S 14:32:00 SUGGESTION REGARDING MORE LISTENING SESSIONS. I WAS FRANKLY 14:32:04 DISTURBED BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DID 14:32:07 NOT APPEAR TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY ALTHOUGH THEY HAD SIGNED UP. 14:32:13 IT WAS DISTRESSING AND I AM 14:32:16 VERY CONFUSED ABOUT WHY THAT 14:32:19 COULD HAVE BEEN. BUT 14:32:22 I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TIME SPECULATING, I 14:32:25 FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE. 14:32:29 TO TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS. IT IS A HUGE 14:32:32 PART OF LIVING IN THIS WORLD. WHERE YOU 14:32:35 LIVE, HOW YOU HAVE ACCESS OR WHETHER YOU HAVE ACCESS TO HOUSING. 14:32:40 I'M GOING TO STOP TALK NOW. IF 14:32:43 THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE TIME TO 14:32:46 DISCUSS THE 14:32:50 SUBSTANCE OF WHAT WAS CONVEYED IN THE LISTENING SESSION. 14:32:54 >> THANK YOU. AMBER? 14:33:00 >> YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SHARE SOMETHING THAT I 14:33:03 THOUGHT WAS VERY, VERY REASONABLE WHICH IS IN 14:33:07 PASADENA, CALIFORNIA, WHEN THEY BE STAED THE RENT CONTROLS 14:33:10 THEY ALSO ESTABLISHED A RENTER 14:33:14 -- A BOARD ON RENT ISSUES. IN IT 14:33:18 THEY SPECIFIED THAT THE RENT BE AT LEAST 60% RENTERS. 14:33:23 THAT TO COUNTER THE POWER 14:33:26 IMBALANCE WHERE PROPERTY OWNERS TEND TO HAVE AND 14:33:30 BE MAKING MONEY, UNEARNED INCOME, 14:33:34 RIGHT, MONEY THAT THEY INVESTED AND THEY'RE 14:33:37 GETTING THE EXTRA INCOME AS WELL AS HOW THE COURTS ARE SET UP. 14:33:42 AGAIN I SAT AND WATCHED EVICTION COURTS FOR SIX 14:33:45 MONTHS AS PART OF MY JOB AND WATCHED 14:33:48 HOW RENTERS WERE EVICTED, DOESN'T 14:33:52 MATTER WHAT KIND OF PROOF THEY HAD. THERE'S A 14:33:55 STRONG IMBALANCE IN THE SYSTEM. 14:33:59 WHILE WE WANT ABSOLUTELY WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING, WE 14:34:03 WANT REALLY GOOD REPRESENTATION, IT WOULD NOT 14:34:06 BE UNREASONABLE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT FOR EACH 14:34:09 LANDLORD THERE ARE 100 TENANTS. 14:34:14 THE REPRESENTATION COULD EASILY BE 14:34:17 HIGHER FOR RENTERS. 14:34:21 THANK YOU. 14:34:28 >> THANK YOU AMBER. YOU CUT OUT 14:34:31 A LITTLE BIT AT THE END THERE. 14:34:35 LAURA, YOUR HAND IS UP? 14:34:40 >> NO, IAN IS AHEAD OF ME. >> IAN GO AHEAD. 14:34:45 >> THANKS. 14:34:48 JUST REAL QUICK JUSTIN, GOOD ON THE CHAT. LIKE 14:34:51 WHAT AMBER SAID, WHAT DOES 14:34:54 REPRESENTATION MEAN. IF YOU'RE DOING IT BASED ON NUMBERS IN SOCIETY, 14:34:58 IT'S GOING TO BE 100-1 TENANTS. IF YOU BASE 14:35:01 ON IT WEALTH, IT'S 100-1 OWNERS. 14:35:05 WHEN THE BODY WAS SET UP IT WAS 14:35:08 INTENTIONALLY MEANT TO BE HALF AND HALF 14:35:12 WITH A VICE CHAIR THAT SORT OF REPRESENTED 14:35:15 BOTH SIDES IN THIS CASE WAS ME. I DON'T KNOW IF WE 14:35:18 STILL HAVE THAT FIDELITY BUT GOING FORWARD WITH THE TENANT 14:35:22 FOCUS BUT THE OWNERSHIP FOCUS WAS MEANT TO PLAY THAT ROLE. 14:35:26 I ALSO WANT, PLUS-ONE AS WE ENGAGE IN THE 14:35:29 CONVERSATION ABOUT HEARING FROM FOLKS ABOUT 14:35:33 HOW IT CAN LOOK VERY DIFFERENT. WHEN WE HEAR THE FEEDBACK 14:35:37 FROM FOLKS THAT WE HEARD AND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE 14:35:40 TOO SIMPLISTICALLY IT IS A 14:35:44 CERTAIN TYPE OF OWNER THAT PROBABLY SKEWS AS 14:35:47 INSTITUTIONAL WHICH WE SAW EARLY ON. LAURA 14:35:50 ALLUDED TO HOW THIS GROUP USED TO BE 14:35:54 BALANCED IN THE VERY, VERY EARLY DAYS, I WOULD SAY THE FIRST FEW MONTHS. 14:35:58 I DON'T KNOW IN WE GOT INTO SUBSTANCE BEFORE SOME OF THE OWNERS DROPPED OFF. 14:36:05 THAT OWNERSHIP REPRESENTATION LOOKED DIFFERENT THAN IT DOES NOW. 14:36:09 IT IS MORE NUANCED IN TERMS OF SERVICE PROVISION. 14:36:13 FRANKLY MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT IT BETTER 14:36:16 REFLECTS WHAT OUR SYSTEM NEEDS, WHAT EXTREMELY LOW 14:36:20 INCOME FOLKS IN OUR SYSTEM NEED. IN TERMS OF NOT 14:36:23 JUST A PURE MARKET APPROACH TO BEING A HOUSING PROVIDER. 14:36:26 I THINK THAT THAT SERVES US WELL. THEN MY ADVICE 14:36:29 THERE IS TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE 14:36:32 LOOKING TO SORT OF LIKE RECONSIDER OR TAKE A LOOK 14:36:36 59 THE BALANCE OF THE GROUP, WE KEEP THAT IN MIND. 14:36:40 I DON'T THINK IN THE SAME WAY THAT OUR MORE 14:36:43 TENANT ALIGNED ADVOCATES ARE 14:36:46 ON ONE POLE OF THE ISSUE, I 14:36:50 DON'T THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO GO IN THE OTHER DIRECTION EITHER. 14:36:53 I THINK THAT'S WHY IT DIDN'T WORK AND SOME FOLKS DROPPED OUT EARLY ON. 14:36:55 THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, IAN. LAURA? 14:37:00 >> YEAH, THANKS IAN. 14:37:05 I DO THINK THAT WHEN THE 14:37:09 COMMISSION WAS CREATED, 14:37:12 THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO HAVE SORT OF 14:37:16 EQUAL 14:37:19 PARTS TENANT REPRESENTATIVE, 14:37:24 EQUAL PARTS HOUSING PROVIDERS IN A BROADER SENSE. 14:37:27 I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DISCUSS 14:37:30 IF WE WANT TO BE MORE SPECIFIC TO GO 14:37:34 BACK TO THE POINT ABOUT DO WE 14:37:37 WANT THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OWNERS OF 14:37:40 HOUSING AS OPPOSED TO 14:37:43 REPRESENTATIVES OF 14:37:47 ENTITIES THAT OWN HOUSING OR OWNERS OF BIGGER PROPERTIES. 14:37:52 I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ANOTHER POINT ABOUT MORE LISTENING SESSIONS. 14:37:57 I THINK IF WE WANT TO HAVE 14:38:01 AN ENGAGEMENT SESSION WHERE WE ARE 14:38:05 ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST LISTENING. 14:38:09 I KNOW THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE 14:38:12 REALLY, REALLY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THAT ENGAGEMENT LOOKS LIKE. 14:38:18 PART OF OUR CHARGE AS AN ENTITY WAS 14:38:21 TO CREATE A FORUM 14:38:24 FOR THE COMMUNITY TO EXPRESS THEIR 14:38:27 THOUGHTS. WE HAVE NEVER MADE 14:38:31 SPACE, I PERSONALLY NEVER 14:38:34 INTERPRETED OUR COMMISSION'S ROLE AS CREATING A SPACE FOR DIALOGUE. 14:38:38 BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT WE STRUGGLE WITH AND WHAT IS MISSING. 14:38:42 SO AS WE THINK ABOUT THAT, WE HAVE TO 14:38:45 THINK ABOUT SETTING REALLY CLEAR EXPECTATIONS. 14:38:48 THAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ANOTHER LISTENING SESSION AS 14:38:51 OPPOSED TO ENGAGEMENT SESSION. THEN 14:38:55 LASTLY, WE HAVE GOT ANOTHER FIVE OR SEVEN MINUTES, 14:38:59 AND I WANTED TO ENCOURAGE 14:39:02 YOU, VIVIAN SPECIFICALLY, YOU HAD MORE TO ADD, THE 14:39:05 REST OF YOU AS WELL, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS ISSUE. 14:39:11 LET'S USE THE TIME WE HAVE TO FLUSH THIS OUT. 14:39:17 AND GET MORE OF OUR THOUGHTS OUT THERE AND DISCUSSIONS. 14:39:21 VIVIAN, I WANTED TO INVITE YOU BACK INTO 14:39:24 THE CONVERSATION AND THE REST -- >> YOU MEAN REPRESENTATION OR 14:39:27 DO YOU MEAN OF THE LISTENING SESSION IN GENERAL? 14:39:31 >> VIVIAN HAD MORE THOUGHTS SHE 14:39:34 WANTED TO SHARE, I UNDERSTOOD, ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC. 14:39:49 >> YES I DID, I'LL SHARE THOSE BRIEFLY. AS A 14:39:52 REMINDER, I NEED TO PUT THIS UP THERE, 14:39:55 MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM. 14:40:02 MY TAKEAWAY FROM THE BULK OF THE 14:40:06 LANDLORD TESTIMONY AT THE LISTENING SESSION 14:40:10 WAS THAT IT FELT A LOT LIKE THE 14:40:14 CHAFING OF PEOPLE WHO ARE USED TO 14:40:17 ACTING SORT OF IN THAT MANNER, SUDDENLY HAVING CONDITIONS 14:40:20 OR RESTRICTIONS PUT ON THEIR FREEDOM OF ACTION. 14:40:23 TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU. TO THE 14:40:27 EXTENT THAT THE LANDLORD TESTIMONY WAS AN HONEST CREE DE 14:40:31 COUR FROM STRUGGLING SMALLER LANDLORDS 14:40:35 ATTEMPTING TO DO THEIR BEST, THE 14:40:38 SOLUTIONS TO THE COMPLAINTS SEEM PRIMARILY TO BE FUNDING THE RENTAL 14:40:42 SERVICES OFFICE SO THAT THEY COULD HIRE ENOUGH 14:40:45 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT ASSISTANCE. 14:40:49 TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THE 14:40:52 LAWS WORK AND WHAT THE LANDLORD MAY NEED TO DO. 14:40:56 AND AN APPEAL TO THE LANDLORD BAR TO 14:41:00 OFFER REASONABLE FEE STRUCTURES. WHAT WE HEARD IS THAT THESE 14:41:03 FOLKS CAN'T AFFORD A LAWYER. THAT'S A FAMILIAR THING TO ME. 14:41:07 MOST TENANTS CAN'T AFFORD A LAWYER AND THEY GO WITHOUT. BUT I'M NOT 14:41:11 SAYING THAT'S A GOOD SITUATION, AND I 14:41:14 AS A TENANT ADVOCATE A LOT OF 14:41:17 TIMES THE JOB IS EASY WHERE THERE IS A 14:41:20 TENANT ATTORNEY. IF WE CAN 14:41:24 APPEAL TO THE BAR 14:41:27 TO HAVE, NOT TO SAY OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR 14:41:31 HEARTS, BUT THERE IS A 14:41:34 NICHE THAT'S GOING UNFILLED THAT IS OBVIOUSLY HAVING A BIG IMPACT ON PEOPLE. 14:41:45 LET'S TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. 14:41:52 IT FELT LIKE THE LANDLORDS ARE SAYING 14:41:56 THERE'S TOO MUCH REGULATION WHEN IN EFFECT THERE'S 14:41:59 BEEN LITTLE 14:42:02 REGULATION TO SHIFT IN FAVOR OF TENANTS. WHAT WE HAVE 14:42:06 NOW IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET. 14:42:10 I DON'T BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS TO ADVOCATE FOR THE 14:42:13 REMOVAL OR WEAKENING OF LAWS OR REGULATIONS THAT 14:42:17 SOME FOLKS EXPERIENCE AS BURDENSOME. 14:42:19 REGULATION IS BURDENSOME BUT IT IS NECESSARY. THAT'S MY TWO CENTS. 14:42:26 >> THANK YOU. AMBER? 14:42:32 >> I REALLY WANTED TO ADD TO 14:42:36 THAT, IT'S ALWAYS VERY STRANGE FOR ME WHEN I HEAR 14:42:39 THESE COMPLAINTS THAT IT'S TOO MUCH WORK, THAT IT'S BEEN MADE 14:42:42 TOO HARD TO BE A LANDLORD. WHEN IF YOU'RE A 14:42:46 DOCTOR, REAL ESTATE AGENT, A TAX 14:42:49 PROFESSIONAL LIKE ME YOU HAVE TO TAKE AND PASS A CLASS, YOU HAVE 14:42:52 TO TAKE AN PASS A HARD STATE BOARD EXAMINATION, 14:42:55 YOU HAVE TO APPLY AND GET A 14:42:58 LICENSE, YOU HAVE TO KEEP THAT LICENSE, YOU HAVE TO 14:43:04 DO HOURS AND HOURS OF CONTINUING EDUCATION. BEING 14:43:07 A LANDLORD HAS A PROFOUND IMPACT ON THE LIVES OF 14:43:10 HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. 14:43:15 I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY LANDLORDS AREN'T REQUIRED TO DO AT LEAST 14:43:18 AS MUCH AS I DO AS A TAX PROFESSIONAL TO 14:43:21 STAY UP ON LAWS SO THAT I'M DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY. 14:43:26 I NEVER RECENT THE TIME THAT I SPENT DOING 14:43:29 MY TAX UPDATES AND THAT KIND OF THING, BEING A TAX PROFESSIONAL. 14:43:33 I WANT TO DO THINGS RIGHT. 14:43:37 AGAIN FOR PEOPLE MAKING MONEY OFF OF 14:43:41 -- MOST ARE MAKING MONEY OFF OF INVESTMENT INCOME. 14:43:44 THEY MAY BE SPENDING TIME BUT IT'S NOT A FULL TIME JOB. 14:43:48 I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT IT IS A FULL TIME JOB FOR. 14:43:51 ASKING THEM TO BE UP ON THE LAWS AND TO 14:43:54 UNDERSTAND THE LAWS AND TAKE TIME OUT OF THEIR LIFE TO DO 14:43:57 THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ASKING TOO MUCH. >> THANK YOU, AMBER. 14:44:02 LAURA? >> THANK YOU. 14:44:07 JUST ONE LAST THING, TO JUSTIN, AND WE HAD 14:44:11 A BRIEF CONVERSATION ABOUT ALL OF THIS INPUT 14:44:14 FROM THE LISTENING SESSION AND THE FACT THAT 14:44:18 THE FAIR ORDINANCE 14:44:21 AND COMMENTS ABOUT IT REALLY STOOD OUT. 14:44:28 I WANT TO PROPOSE THAT 14:44:31 THIS COMMISSION HAS A 14:44:35 SUBCOMMITTEE TO ADDRESS A REVIEW OF THE FAIR ORDINANCE. 14:44:41 I THINK THAT TO THE POINT THAT YOU WERE JUST 14:44:45 MAKING, AMBER AND 14:44:48 VIVIEN MADE, THERE WERE A LOT OF 14:44:51 ISSUES RAISED ABOUT THE FAIR ORDINANCE. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO 14:44:54 DISMANTLE IT, IT'S IN PLACE. I 14:44:58 THINK WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND BOTH WHAT IS 14:45:02 MAKING IT COMPLICATED AND DIFFICULT FROM THE HOUSING 14:45:05 PROVIDER SIDE, AND IS IT MEETING THE GOAL OF PROTECTING TENANTS. 14:45:11 ON THE TENANT SIDE. I'LL 14:45:14 SAY THAT, AND THEN TAKE THE WIND OUT OF EVERYONE'S SAILS 14:45:18 BY SAYING BECAUSE OF OUR AGENDA WE'RE GOING 14:45:21 TO COME BACK TO THIS AT 14:45:24 4:45 WHEN WE HAVE MORE DISCUSSION TIME. 14:45:28 I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF 14:45:32 ANTOINETTE'S TIME IN PRESENTING ABOUT THE RENTAL REHAB PROGRAM. 14:45:39 WELCOME BACK TO THIS IDEA OF 9 SUBCOMMITTEE, 14:45:42 NOW SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT TIME TO BE TALKING 14:45:45 ABOUT BOTH THE FAIR ORDINANCE AND DOING SUBCOMMITTEE. 14:45:50 WITH THAT I'LL HAND IT BACK TO YOU, JUSTIN. 14:45:53 >> THANK YOU, LAURA. 14:45:58 YES, 4:45 DOES SOUND 14:46:01 GREAT. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE RENTAL 14:46:04 REHABILITATION PROGRAM PRESENTATION BY MY 14:46:08 COLLEAGUE WHO HAS GRACIOUSLY DECIDED TO BE HERE TODAY. THANK YOU, MOLLY. 14:46:14 I'LL INTRODUCE THE TOPIC REALLY FAST, THE 14:46:17 RENTAL REHAB PROGRAM, WAS 14:46:20 PILOTED SOME YEARS AGO BY 14:46:24 PHB, INCENTIVIZING LANDLORDS TO NOT INCREASE RENT. 14:46:28 WE HAVE MOLLY HERE TO PRESENT ON THAT PROGRAM AND ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. 14:46:31 TAKE IT AWAY MOLLY, THANK YOU. >> GREAT, THANKS FOR HAVING ME. 14:46:37 JUST QUICK TECH-WISE, WILL I BE ABLE 14:46:40 TO SHARE MY SCREEN OR DOES ANYONE HAVE THE POWERPOINT AVAILABLE? 14:46:43 >> YOU CAN SHARE YOUR SCREEN. >> THANK YOU, JUSTIN. 14:47:01 >> I DON'T DO A TON OF POWERPOINT PRESENTATIONS. ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE MY SCREEN? 14:47:06 >> YES. MOLLY IF YOU GO 14:47:09 TO THE SLIDE SHOW DROPDOWN RIGHT BELOW REHAB. 14:47:13 JUST TO THE LEFT. >> THANK YOU, APPRECIATE THAT. 14:47:18 FIRST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, 14:47:21 I'M MOLLY LUFT, MANAGE 14:47:25 LED GRANT, WE HAVE A FEDERAL 14:47:28 GRANT PAINT REMIDTATION FOR 14:47:31 HOMEOWNERS AND LANDLORDS AND RENTALS. I'VE BEEN 14:47:35 AT THE BUREAU ABOUT SEVEN YEARS. I WAS PART OF THE 14:47:38 NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING TEAM WHEN WE WERE EXPLORING A 14:47:41 RENTAL REHAB PROGRAM IN 2017. I DID NOT DIRECTLY TOUCH 14:47:44 THIS WORK SO I'M NOT AN EXPERT. BUT I WAS AROUND AND 14:47:47 TRIED TO TOUCH BASE WITH A FEW COLLEAGUES THAT WORKED ON THIS 14:47:50 TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM. 14:47:54 I WILL PRESENT THE SLIDE SHOW THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME AND WILL ANSWER 14:47:58 QUESTIONS AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. 14:48:06 BACK IN 2017, MY 14:48:09 UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THIS WAS SET UP AS 14:48:12 GRANTS, UP TO $25,000 PER UNIT. 14:48:15 WITH A QUALIFICATION OF 60% MEDIAN FAMILY 14:48:19 INCOME FOR 80% OF THE UNITS. AND 14:48:22 WITH A 10-YEAR AGREEMENT THAT RENTS COULD 14:48:26 INCREASE BY NO GREATER THAN 3% PER YEAR. NO 14:48:29 HIGHER THAN THE HUD AREA MINIMUM. 14:48:32 HOUSING BUREAU WORKED WITH THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION CALLED 14:48:36 "INHABIT" THAT NO LONGER EXISTS BUT WAS DOING 14:48:40 A BUNCH OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY WORK TO HAVE THEM GO 14:48:43 OUT AND DO THE OUTREACH TO LANDLORDS AND 14:48:46 COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD BE 14:48:49 ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH LANDLORDS TO GET FOLKS 14:48:53 ENROLLED IN THIS WORK. 14:48:57 SO LOOKS LIKE THEY ENGAGED WITH OVER 14:49:00 25 STAKEHOLDER GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS 14:49:04 INCLUDING HOME FORWARD, MULTI-FAMILY NORTHWEST, RENTAL HOUSING 14:49:07 ALLIANCE OF EAST PORTLAND, COMMUNITY 14:49:10 ENERGY PROJECT, MULTNOMAH 14:49:13 COUNTY WEATHERIZATION, SEI, A NUMBER OF 14:49:17 OTHER NONPROFIT PARTNERS IN THE PORTLAND AREA. 14:49:22 THEY DEVELOPED A WEBSITE AND THEN THEY DID 14:49:25 MAILINGS TO EVERY PROPERTY WITH AN OPEN 14:49:28 VIOLATION LETTER FROM BECOMES, IS. THEY DID 14:49:32 TELEPHONE OUTREACH TO ALL PROPERTIES WITH OPEN 14:49:35 VIOLATIONS FROM BDS. TITLE 29 VIOLATIONS. 14:49:40 MAILING TO CLASS 1 AND 2 PROPERTIES. 14:49:45 ENGAGED WITH MULTNOMAH WEATHERIZATION, THE 14:49:48 COUNTY HAS A FREE PROGRAM FOR INCOME QUALIFIED FOLKS AND ENGAGE 14:49:51 WITH MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTIES. 14:49:56 WORKED WITH SOCIAL SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS, DID A 14:50:00 MAILING TO MULTNOMAH 14:50:03 COMMUNITY. OF THE 92 PROPERTIES THAT 14:50:06 WERE IDENTIFIED AS CANDIDATES FOR 14:50:10 OUTREACH, THEY ENDED UP WITH 17 14:50:13 PROPERTY OWNERS OR PROPERTY MANAGERS THAT ACTUALLY EXPRESSED INTEREST 14:50:16 IN WORKING WITH THE PROGRAMS. 14:50:19 OF THOSE JUST ONE OWNER OF A SMALL PROPERTY INDICATED SUFFICIENT INTEREST 14:50:22 TO ADVANCE WITH THE QUALIFICATION. 14:50:27 HAVING TALKED TO A COLLEAGUE WHO WAS AT 14:50:31 INHABIT, HIS FEEDBACK WAS THE AFFORDABILITY 14:50:34 CLAUSE WAS THE MAJOR BARRIER 14:50:37 FOR LANDLORDS OR PROPERTY MANAGERS THAT HE SPOKE TO. 14:50:42 RENTS WERE RAISING RAPIDLY AT THE TIME YEAR TO YEAR, IN 14:50:45 2017, AND THERE WAS A PRETTY BIG AMOUNT OF 14:50:48 PUSHBACK ON AGREEING TO A 14:50:51 10-YEAR AFFORDABILITY CLAUSE. 14:50:59 SOME OF THE CONCLUSIONS AT THE END OF 14:51:02 THAT, WAS THAT THE EXPECTATION OF 14:51:07 RENT GROWTH BEING OVER 10%, WERE 14:51:10 NOT ATTRACTIVE TO LANDLORDS. 14:51:14 THERE WAS IT SEEMED LIKE A LACK OF CLARITY ON 14:51:17 WHAT WAS AN ELIGIBLE REPAIR. I THINK A LOT OF THE 14:51:21 LANDLORDS WHEN THEY WERE IN CONVERSATIONS, SOME OF THE REPAIRS 14:51:24 THAT THEY WERE SEEKING WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE 14:51:27 COSMETIC VERSUS WHAT WAS ESSENTIAL REPAIRS IN THE 14:51:31 ORIGINAL PROGRAM GUIDELINES. 14:51:34 THE 10 LIFE YEAR HORIZON WAS CONSIDER 14:51:37 TODAY LONG TO COMMIT. JUST A GENERAL 14:51:41 CONSENSUS FROM PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THE CITY AND COUNTY 14:51:44 REPORTING REQUIREMENTS ARE ONEROUS AND NOT ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT 14:51:47 ENTERING LONG TERM CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY. 14:51:52 A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK ON THE EFFICACY OF THE 14:51:56 OUTREACH, IT SEEMED LIKE THE TELEPHONE AND MAIL 14:51:59 THEY GOT SOME FEEDBACK BUT THAT THE BEST 14:52:02 OUTREACH WAS CASE WORKER REFERRALS FROM FOLKS 14:52:08 WORKING WITH FOLKS IN HOUSING THAT COULD 14:52:11 SHOW CLEAR HELP AND NEED FOR REHAB. 14:52:15 THAT COLLABORATION WITH CASE WORKERS SUGGESTED THERE ARE PROPERTIES 14:52:18 WITH SIGNIFICANT POOR CONDITIONS. 14:52:24 AND ANOTHER THING THAT THEY CAME TO NOTE, 14:52:28 MULTNOMAH COUNTY WEATHERIZATION IS DOING THIS WORK AND 14:52:31 ENGAGING WITH THEM MIGHT BE A GOOD STUFF. BUT THEY ALSO 14:52:35 PROVIDED FEEDBACK THAT THEY HAVE 14:52:39 A CHALLENGE WORKING WITH PRIVATE MARKET 14:52:42 LANDLORDS AND MOST OF THEIR WORK IN MULTI-FAMILYS 14:52:46 IS NGO OWNED PROPERTIES. THEY HAVE A HARD 14:52:49 TIME TAPPING INTO THE PRIVATE MARKET RENTAL. 14:52:52 AGAIN MY PROGRAM I WORK WITH LANDLORDS. 14:52:59 AND WE HAVE WORKED WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITY 14:53:03 PARTNERS THAT MANAGE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. PRIVATE LANDLORDS OF BEEN 14:53:06 A CHALLENGE FOR US TO GET IN THE DOOR AS WELL. 14:53:10 GENERAL HESITANCY TO WORK WITH GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. 14:53:16 THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE BACKEND OF THAT WERE 14:53:19 TO USE EXISTING DATA TO REALLY ESTABLISH A NEED. 14:53:23 GET A CLEARER SENSE OF THE NEED BEFORE 14:53:27 REENGAGING IN THIS WORK. THEN IDENTIFY 14:53:30 ANY CHANGES THAT COULD BE MADE 14:53:33 AROUND THE AFFORDABILITY CLAUSE BEFORE MOVING FORWARD, AGAIN. 14:53:37 ENGAGING IN OUTREACH WITH LANDLORDS ON THE FRONT END ON 14:53:41 THE AFFORDABILITY CLAUSE BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH ADDITIONAL WORK. 14:53:50 LET ME GET OUT OF THE SLIDE SHOW SO I CAN SEE YOU GUYS. 14:54:10 ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN 14:54:14 ANSWER WHILE I'M HERE? >> WE CAN SEE 14:54:17 YOUR SCREEN, MOLLY. 14:54:20 YOU MIGHT NOT WANT US TO SEE THAT, MAYBE. >> THANK YOU FOR THE 14:54:24 TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. 14:54:29 >> THERE YOU GO. >> AM I NOT SHARING NOW? 14:54:33 >> NO LONGER SHARING. >> THANK YOU, APPRECIATE THAT. 14:54:46 >> QUESTIONS FOR MOLLY? 14:54:52 >> RECEIVE U.N.? VIVIEN? 14:54:55 >> THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. 14:54:59 WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO OUTLINE 14:55:04 -- YOU MAY HAVE MISSED THIS, MY INTERNET HAS BEEN 14:55:07 CUTTING OUT A LITTLE BIT, 14:55:11 WHAT WERE SOME OF THE 14:55:14 ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS OR 14:55:17 PROJECTS THAT A LANDLORD COULD APPLY FOR THIS FUNDING? 14:55:23 >> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE THE GUIDELINES IN FRONT OF 14:55:26 ME BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT WAS 14:55:29 BASED ON SORT OF THE 14:55:33 BDS TITLE 29 REFERRALS WHICH 14:55:36 WOULD BE A FOCUS ON FIRE, LIFE, AND SAFETY. 14:55:40 CERTAINLY MOLD AND MOISTURE WOULD BE 14:55:43 ELIGIBLE, ELECTRICAL HAZARDS 14:55:46 HAZARDS, SLIP TRIP AND FALLS WOULD BE 14:55:50 ELIGIBLE, POTENTIALLY ADA ACCOMMODATIONS. 14:55:53 MOLD AND MOISTURE WAS PROBABLY A MAJOR CONVERSATION. 14:55:58 WHICH COULD BE ACTIVE LIKES, ROOF, 14:56:01 GUTTERS, THAT COULD BE VENTILATION. 14:56:07 COULD LAN IN TO INSULATION IF 14:56:11 YOU HAVE COLD WALLS AND CONDENSATION ON THOSE WALLS. 14:56:21 UPDATING KITCHENS AND BATHROOMS, MAYBE 14:56:24 LANDLORDS LOOKING FOR NEW COUNTER 14:56:28 TOPS OR CABINETRY FIGHT NOT FALL UNDER A 14:56:31 FIRE-LIFE-SAFETY ELIGIBLE REPAIR. >> THANK YOU, THAT HELPS. 14:56:41 >> MY MEMORY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS INTERNALLY, 14:56:45 IT IS A REALLY UNIQUE SPACE. 14:56:51 MY TEAM WORKS IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, CONSTRUCTION COORDINATORS 14:56:54 THAT KNOW HOW TO GO INTO A HOUSE OR DUPLEX AND DO AN 14:56:57 ASSESSMENT OF THE HOME AND ESTABLISH NEED AND RIGHT SCOPE OF WORK. 14:57:01 ON THE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT SIDE 14:57:04 CONSTRUCTION COORDINATORS MANAGE HUGE REHAB OF 14:57:08 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS WHERE THEY GET A CAPITAL 14:57:11 NEEDS ASSESSMENTS TO ESTABLISH WHAT SORT 14:57:14 OF REHAB TAKES PLACE. WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT A 14:57:18 RENTAL REHAB PROGRAM COULD LOOK LIKE THE NEED AROUND 14:57:21 ASSESSMENT FELT IN BETWEEN THESE TWO THINGS. 14:57:25 WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT ESTABLISHING A SCOPE OF WORK 14:57:28 FOR A PROJECT LIKES LIKE THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. IT COULD LOOK LIKE A 14:57:31 LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS DEPENDOLOGY THE NUMBER OF 14:57:34 UNITS, AGE OF 9 UNITS, SOME OF THOSE NEEDS 14:57:37 MIGHT BE SPECIFIC TO ONE UNIT VERSUS THE WHOLE BUILDING. 14:57:42 THERE'S A LOT OF GRAY IN THERE. 14:57:48 >> THAT ADDS CON TENT. 14:58:04 >> IF IT'S WORK THAT THIS GROUP IS INTERESTED IN 14:58:09 ENGAGING WITH, MULTNOMAH COUNTY 14:58:12 WEATHERIZATION IS INTERESTING TO TALK, TO THEY ARE ENGAGING WITH LAND LORDS. 14:58:17 I DON'T NO WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE 2017. 14:58:20 PORTLAND CLEAN ENERGY FUND DOLLARS MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR MULTI-FAMILY MOVING FORWARD. 14:58:25 AND CURRENTLY IN A WAY WHERE THERE COULD BE REHAB WORK HAPPENING THERE. 14:58:30 THOSE COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT ARE APPLYING FOR THOSE FUNDS 14:58:34 MIGHT BE DOING MORE WORK IN RENTAL HOUSING. THERE 14:58:38 COULD BE SPACE TO COLLABORATE. 14:58:46 WASHING WITH PRIVATE LANDLORDS IN RETROFIT WORK. 14:58:53 VIVIEN? >> I JUST REALIZED THAT THIS 14:58:56 ISN'T A QUESTION DIRECTED AT YOU AND YOUR TIME IS LIMITED SO I'LL 14:58:59 SAVE IT FOR LATER, SORRY. >> ALL GOOD. 14:59:08 I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER 14:59:11 THING, DANNY KELLY WORKED AT 14:59:14 INHABIT AT THE TIME, HE WAS LED GRANT COORDINATOR 14:59:18 AN LEFT THE CITY BECAUSE HE MOVED OUT OF STATE. BUT HE IS 14:59:21 PROBABLY AVAILABLE STILL IF THIS GROUP HAD QUESTIONS. 14:59:30 ANDREA WAS MANAGING THE WORK AND DID A LOT OF WORK 14:59:33 AROUND ORIGINALLY LAYING THAT OUT, AND SHE IS SORT OF -- WORKING FOR 14:59:36 THE STATE NOW, IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, 14:59:41 LIKELY STILL AVAILABLE IF FOLKS ARE GOING TO DIG BACK 14:59:44 INTO THIS AND TRY TO REENVISION IT, SHE MAY BE 14:59:47 ANOTHER GOOD PERSON TO CONNECT W HAPPY TO MAKE THOSE 14:59:51 CONNECTIONS AND BE A RESOURCE ANY WAY I CAN BE HELPFUL. 14:59:58 ABSOLUTELY, CAN I PROVIDE E-MAIL ADDRESSES AND 15:00:01 MAYBE SEND THOSE TO JUSTIN OR -- IS THAT 15:00:05 THE BEST WAY TO GET INFORMATION BACK TO THE GROUP? 15:00:10 >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT, THANK YOU. 15:00:17 >> ANYMORE QUESTIONS FOR MOLLY WHILE WE HAVE HER. 15:00:25 >> JUST DOUBLECHECKING MY NOTES. THE ONLY OTHER NOTES 15:00:28 IS DANNY WHO DID THE OUTREACH DID 15:00:32 MENTION THAT LANGUAGE BARRIERS WERE CERTAINLY 15:00:35 AN ISSUE IN DOING THE OUTREACH TO 15:00:38 LANDLORDS IN EAST PORTLAND SPECIFICALLY. THEY DIDN'T HAVE 15:00:41 TRANSLATION RESOURCES AND RAN ACROSS CHALLENGES THERE. 15:00:46 ONE OF ANDREA'S 15:00:50 OTHER NOTES, SHE 15:00:53 ENVISIONED THE PROGRAM THAT THE STAFF COSTS WERE LIKELY, SOMETHING THAT 15:00:56 WAS A CHALLENGE THE FIRST TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT 15:00:59 IF IT WAS GOING TO BE MANAGED IN HOUSE STAFF COSTS WOULD BE HIGH. 15:01:07 THIS COULD BE REALLY KEY IN ENVISIONING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL. 15:01:21 >> AWESOME, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE MOLLY FOR THE PRESENTATION. 15:01:28 APPRECIATE IT F YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOWUP QUESTIONS WE'LL 15:01:31 SEND THEM YOUR WAY. >> GREAT, I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH AN E-MAIL 15:01:35 TO JUSTIN WITH THOSE E-MAIL ADDRESSES FOR DANNY AND 15:01:38 ANDREA IN CASE YOU DO WANT TO DO ANY FOLLOWUP. 15:01:41 >> THANK YOU MOLLY. >> THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'RE DOING, APPRECIATE IT. 15:01:53 >> SINCE WE'RE A LITTLE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, 15:01:56 WE'LL DIVE RIGHT INTO THE NEXT AGENDA 15:01:59 TOPIC, RECOMMENDATION PROGRESS AND RSC PACE. 15:02:02 AND TAKE A BREAK BEFORE WE GET TO 15:02:05 THE 14.6% LONG TERM RENT ASSISTANCE CONVERSATION. 15:02:11 WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, LAURA? >> GREAT, THANK YOU. 15:02:14 JUST TO 15:02:18 RECAB WE'LL TAKE A BREAK THE 3:35. 15:02:22 JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HALF AN HOUR. 15:02:32 WE HAD INPUT ABOUT THE PACE 15:02:35 OF OUR MOVEMENT FORWARD AS A COMMISSION 15:02:39 ESPECIALLY IN THE WAKE OF MOVING FROM 15:02:43 12 TO 6 MEETINGS PER YEAR. 15:02:50 HOW WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE ALONG IN 15:02:53 MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS. 15:02:58 I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR ANYONE, 15:03:03 BUT I WANT TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR 15:03:06 PEOPLE TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT 15:03:10 THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE HAVE WE HAVE IN MEETING ONLY 15:03:13 6 TIMES A YEAR, ADDRESSING A LOT OF ISSUES. 15:03:17 I'M LOOKING AT THE WORK PLAN OUTLINE. 15:03:22 WE HAVE BIG JUICY TOPICS ON THE WORK PLAN AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME. 15:03:26 WE'RE ALL BUSY. 15:03:33 I WOULD GUESS THERE ARE SEVERAL OF YOU WHO 15:03:36 FEEL THE CHALLENGE 15:03:39 IN ACHIEVING SOME OF OUR 15:03:42 GOALS WITH FEWER MEETINGS. I WANTED TO OPEN 15:03:46 THE FLOOR TO HEAR SOME COMMENT ABOUT THAT 15:03:49 WITH THE GOAL 15:03:52 OF WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN COME TO SOME AGREEMENT 15:03:55 ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT PICK UP THE PACE ON RECOMMENDATIONS. 15:04:00 AND HOW WE BALANCE MAKING 15:04:03 RECOMMENDATIONS WITH GETTING INFORMED ABOUT THE 15:04:07 DETAILS THAT HELP US MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 15:04:14 I WANT TO OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR ANYONE WHO HAS COMMENTS AND 15:04:18 SUGGESTIONS HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. CHRISTINA? 15:04:21 >> THANK YOU. 15:04:26 KRISTINA? >> THANK YOU. 15:04:30 I FEEL LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE WITH LIMITED MEETING TIME. 15:04:34 I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS ALLOWABLE OR 15:04:37 FEASIBLE WITH FOLKS' SCHEDULES. WHAT 15:04:40 ABOUT DOING SUBCOMMITTEES TO DO SOME 15:04:43 OF, FOR WHOEVER WANTS TO PARTICIPATE, SOME OF THE PREWORK. 15:04:48 SO THAT AS WE'RE DIVING INTO TOPICS IT 15:04:51 CAN BE 15:04:55 FOUNDATION ALREADY SET, DISCUSSION TOPICS ALREADY OUTLINED. 15:05:03 >> WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE AND SUBCOMMITTEES ARE GREAT. 15:05:07 BUT THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM 15:05:10 THB, SUBCOMMITTEE WE'RE 15:05:13 A PUBLIC BODY AND SUBJECT TO THE PUBLIC MEETING 15:05:16 LAWS, THE SUBCOMMITTEES, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M 15:05:19 WRONG, BUT THE SUBCOMMITTEES NEED TO BE STAFFED. 15:05:24 SO WE HAVE A LIMITS TO HOW MANY SUBCOMMITTEES. 15:05:35 NOT TO PUT MORE WORK ON YOU, 15:05:38 JUSTIN, WHAT WE COULD DO IS IF WE REALLY FELT THAT WE 15:05:42 NEEDED TWO SUBCOMMITTEES AND TWO DIFFERENT 15:05:45 TOPICS, FAIR AND SOMETHING ELSE, THAT WE REALLY 15:05:49 PUSH AND REQUESTED PHB TO PROVIDE THE STAFFING. 15:05:53 THAT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE, I DON'T KNOW THE LIMITATIONS. 15:05:57 BUT I KNOW THERE ARE LIMITATIONS. SO 15:06:01 JUSTIN, CAN YOU REVIEW FOR ALL OF 15:06:04 US THE LIMITATIONS AROUND SUBCOMMITTEES. 15:06:11 AND WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN. 15:06:14 LIKE IF IT'S TWO COMMISSIONERS, IS THAT AN OFFICIAL SUBCOMMITTEE? 15:06:18 COULD THEY DO THE GROUND WORK? 15:06:21 THEN SEND IT TO YOU? SO IF YOU CAN JUST REVIEW THAT. 15:06:25 I THINK KRISTINA IS ON TO SOMETHING AS ARE 15:06:28 OTHERS WHO HAVE SUGGESTED SUBCOMMITTEES. >> JUSTIN: 15:06:32 ABSOLUTELY, HAPPY TO. IT'S 15:06:35 MY UNDERSTANDING TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE IT HAS TO BE STAFFED. 15:06:40 SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE NINE, I HAVE A 15:06:43 CAPACITY TO STAFF A SUBCOMMITTEE. 15:06:46 WE NEED AT LEAST THREE COMMISSIONERS IN THE ACTUAL COMMITTEE TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE. 15:06:52 AND WE NEED CLEAR BOUNDARIES DEDICATED 15:06:55 TO THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT OF A CLEAR 15:06:58 TIMELINE OF WHEN THE COMMITTEE WILL END AND REPORT BACK TO THE BODY. 15:07:03 EACH SESSION OF THE MAIN BODY, 15:07:07 THE SUBCOMMITTEES REPORT ANY PROGRESS, BECAUSE OF PUBLIC 15:07:11 MEETING LAWS, THEY NEED 15:07:14 TO TO US OF THEIR PROGRESS. 15:07:19 TO MY KNOWLEDGE THOSE ARE THE ONLY RULES AROUND SUBCOMMITTEES. 15:07:24 AND DEPENDING ON THE NEED, 15:07:27 WE CAN DISCUSS THE ABILITY TO HAVE 15:07:30 ONE OR TWO. 15:07:34 >> LAURA: JUST TO MAKE SURE I 15:07:37 HEARD CORRECTLY, IT MUST BE STAFFED, THERE HAVE 15:07:40 BEEN FOUR COMMISSIONERS, IS THAT CORRECT? 15:07:43 >> JUSTIN: AT LEAST THREE. 15:07:47 >> LAURA: CLEAR 15:07:50 BOUNDARIES AND CLEAR TIMELINE. >> JUSTIN: CORRECT. >> 15:07:54 LAURA:YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO STAFF ONE SUBCOMMITTEE? >> JUSTIN: 15:07:59 I CAN ABSOLUTELY DO ONE THEN WE CAN 15:08:01 DISCUSS A SECOND ONE BASED OFF OF 15:08:05 THE NEED, COMMISSIONER BUY-IN AND SO FORTH. >> LAURA: 15:08:09 DID ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR NEED MORE 15:08:12 CLARIFICATION ON HOW THE SUBCOMMITTEES WOULD WORK? 15:08:18 >> JUSTIN: YOU NEED TO RECORD EACH MEETING. 15:08:22 >> LAURA: TWO 15:08:26 COMMISSIONERS WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE. >> JUSTIN: 15:08:29 IF IT'S A BODY OF THREE, YES. >> 15:08:33 SORRY, FOR THE MINIMUM NUMBER, THREE. 15:08:42 SO WHAT DO FOLKS THINK 15:08:45 ABOUT SETTING UP 15:08:49 AT LEAST ONE SUBCOMMITTEE, THEN 15:08:52 MAYBE IDENTIFYING A SECOND SUBCOMMITTEE AND REQUESTING 15:08:56 THAT THE STAFF 15:08:59 REPORT FROM PHB AND IDENTIFYING 15:09:02 A PRIORITY TOPIC AND A SECOND TOPIC. 15:09:05 I SAY PRIORITY TOPIC, WE DON'T HAVE A 15:09:09 GUARANTEE THAT PHB WOULD GIVE US A STAFFING FOR A SECOND SUBCOMMITTEE. 15:09:12 IS THAT THE DIRECTION PEOPLE WANT TO GO? AMBER? 15:09:18 >> AMBER: JUST TO CLARIFY AND SORRY 15:09:21 IF I MISSED THIS, THE 15:09:24 SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD MEET ONCE A MONTH? 15:09:28 >> LAURA: IS THERE A 15:09:32 SPECIFIC MEETMEETING, NUMBER 15:09:35 OF MEETINGS, JUSTIN? 15:09:38 >> JUSTIN: THE COMMITTEE DETERMINES 15:09:41 THAT, DEPENDING WHEN THEY WANT -- HOW MUCH THEY WANT TO TAKE ON 15:09:45 THEMSELVES, WHEN THEY WANT THE WORK TO BE COMPLETE, THOSE ISSUES. 15:09:49 >> LAURA: IT SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE MORE 15:09:53 FREQUENT THAN ONCE A MONTH, YES. 15:10:01 SO WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT USING 15:10:05 SUBCOMMITTEES TO MOVE US ON A LITTLE FASTER, OR 15:10:08 ARE PEOPLE GOOD WITH THIS SORT OF SLOW PACE? 15:10:15 AMBER, DO YOU WANT TO SAY MORE? VIVIEN, SORRY, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP. 15:10:20 SORRY, AMBER NOT TRYING TO PUT OUT SPOT. VIVIAN? 15:10:25 >> VIVIEN: I THINK WE SHOULD 15:10:28 PURSUE AT LEAST ONE SUBCOMMITTEE. 15:10:31 I KNOW THAT LAURA YOU PROPOSED 15:10:35 ONE TO DO A DEEP DIVE 15:10:39 ON THE FAIR ORDINANCE AND SOME OF 15:10:42 THE ISSUES WITH THAT THAT HAD BEEN RAISED 15:10:45 BY LANDLORDS IN RECENT TESTIMONY PROVIDED. 15:10:49 I WOULD LIKE TO, IF THAT DOES HAPPEN, I WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE. 15:10:55 AND ALSO FOCUS ON COMBING 15:10:58 OECI TO FIND LAWSUITS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED ON THE BASIS OF THE FAIR ORDINANCE. 15:11:05 BUT I'M NOT -- I'M STILL UP 15:11:08 IN THE AIR ON EXACTLY WHAT I 15:11:10 THINK THE BEST USE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE COULD BE. I'LL SAY THAT. 15:11:15 >> LAURA: THANK YOU 15:11:18 VIVIEN, AMBER BEFORE YOU GO, MY 15:11:22 PROPOSAL ABOUT THE FAIR ORDINANCE 15:11:25 WAS IN DIRECT REACTION TO 15:11:29 SEEING THE INPUT 15:11:32 AND TESTIFY FROM THE LISTENING SESSION. 15:11:36 WE HAVE A WORK PLAN WITH OTHER ITEMS AND 15:11:39 I THINK AS A GROUP WE WOULD HAVE TO SAY WHICH 15:11:42 ITEMS DO WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE FOR SUBCOMMITTEE WORK. 15:11:48 I THROUGH THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE IT 15:11:51 WAS FRESH IN OUR LISTENING SESSION INFORMATION 15:11:54 AND BECAUSE THE FAIR ORDINANCE IS REALLY, REALLY CRITICAL. 15:11:59 AMBER, GO AHEAD. 15:12:03 >> AMBER: YES, THANK YOU. 15:12:07 WE STARTED OUT BEFORE THE 15:12:11 YEAR, BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, COMING UP WITH 15:12:14 SUBJECTS WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON. AND WE, I 15:12:18 BELIEVE THERE WERE SIX OF THEM IF I'M NOT WRONG 15:12:21 THAT, WE CAME UP WITH. >> LAURA: YOU'RE CORRECT. >> AMBER: 15:12:27 WE'RE NOW HEADING HALF WAY INTO THE 15:12:31 THIRD, OUR FOURTH MEETING OF THE YEAR OUT OF SIX. 15:12:34 SO FAR WE WON'T COME OUT WITH A RECOMMENDATION BY THE END OF THIS MEETING. 15:12:41 INSTEAD OF, SAY, DOING A RECOMMENDATION EACH MEETING 15:12:44 WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT POSSIBLY HAVING NO RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE END OF THE YEAR. 15:12:51 THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I OBJECT TO. 15:12:54 I WANT TO SAY IN ALL FAIRNESS FOR THE WORK AND 15:12:58 TIME THAT WE'RE DOING, 15:13:01 THAT I FEEL LIKE, NOW THAT WE HAVE 15:13:04 SOME EXPERIENCE WITH HOW TIME MOVES 15:13:07 WITH THE FULL THREE-HOUR MEETING 15:13:11 AND ONLY MEETING EVERY MONTH, COME UP WITH A 15:13:14 REAL PLAN THAT ENTAILS MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AND NOT ALLOWING 15:13:17 EACH MEETING TO MOVE BY AND RANDOMLY SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 15:13:23 SECOND I WANTED TO ADD, I WAS TOLD 15:13:27 VERY, VERY USEFUL INFORMATION, THAT IF 15:13:30 ANY COMMISSIONER REQUESTS DATA THAT 15:13:33 THE PORTLAND HOUSING BUREAU IS REQUIRED TO PRESENT 15:13:36 WHAT DATA IT CAN FIND ON THAT IN THE NEXT MEETING. THAT 15:13:39 IS A VERY, VERY REASONABLE POLICY. 15:13:43 YET AT THE SAME TIME WE SHOULD PROBABLY REVIEW WHAT REQUESTS HAVE 15:13:46 BEEN MADE AT THE END OF THE MEETING AND 15:13:49 COME UP WITH SOME REASONABLE AMOUNT 15:13:52 RATHER THAN HAVING SAY THE NEXT MEETING BE COMPRISED OF AN 15:13:56 ENTIRE HALF A MEETING OF RECAPPING 15:14:00 DATA THIS WAS THE CASE IN THE PRIOR MEETING. 15:14:04 I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN 15:14:08 TANGIBLY MEET SOME RECOMMENDATION GOALS 15:14:12 BY THE END OF THE YEAR. 15:14:15 >> LAURA: GREAT, THANK YOU. KRISTINA? 15:14:20 >> KRISTINA: I'M WONDERING IF 15:14:23 THERE'S OTHER IDEAS OTHER THAN SUBCOMMITTEE. I'M SURE THERE'S A 15:14:26 LOT OF RULES AROUND WHY THIS WON'T WORK. 15:14:30 BUT THINKING ABOUT ASYNCHRONOUS 15:14:34 WORK ENVIRONMENTS WHERE FOLKS ARE TRYING TO 15:14:37 WORK ON THINGS COLLABORATIVELY. 15:14:40 IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE SHARED 15:14:43 GOOGLE DOCUMENT WHERE FOLKS CAN DO WORK 15:14:46 ON A PARTICULAR PROJECT TOGETHER AND THEN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT? 15:14:50 OR IS THAT AGAINST ALL OF THE RULES? >> LAURA: 15:14:53 I THINK WE HEARD BEFORE THAT THAT WON'T WORK. 15:14:56 BUT JUSTIN I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO THAT. IT IS A BRILLIANT IDEA. 15:15:01 >> JUSTIN: FEW THINGS THERE. 15:15:04 ON KRISTINA'S IDEA, UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO PUBLIC 15:15:07 MEETING LAWS THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. THE LAW IS 15:15:11 REALLY AROUND THE PUBLIC BEING ABLE TO SEE THE 15:15:15 DISCUSSION AND HAVING INPUT AROUND WHAT IS SAID AND NOT JUST PRESENTED. 15:15:22 WE HAVE TO HAVE INPUT FOR THE PROCESS AS WELL. 15:15:26 HAVING A SHARED GOOGLE DOC OR ANYTHING BESIDES A 15:15:29 SUBCOMMITTEE, THAT IS 15:15:33 AVAILABLE, FOR PUBLIC ACCESS, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. 15:15:37 FOR 15:15:41 CLARIFYING POINTS ON THE SUBCOMMITTEES, 15:15:45 WE CAN HAVE A MAJORITY VOTE FOR EACH SUBCOMMITTEE, WHAT 15:15:48 THAT PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE, IN MY 15:15:51 FOLLOWUP E-MAIL TOMORROW, BEFORE THE END OF THE WORK, I WOULD 15:15:54 GAUGE INTEREST FROM THE COMMISSION TO SEE WHO WANTS TO JOIN THE COMMITTEE. 15:15:59 THEN IN OUR FIRST MEETING, ONCE IT IS 15:16:02 SCHEDULED, WE'LL UNDERLINE THE SCOPE OF THESE 15:16:06 CONVERSATIONS, THE TOPICS, AND OUTLINE 15:16:09 THE MEETING SCHEDULE AND THE END 15:16:12 DATE FOR THE COMMITTEE ITSELF. 15:16:16 I WANT TO CLARIFY THE PROCESS. >> LAURA: 15:16:20 THANK YOU, JUSTIN. 15:16:24 I WANT TO ADD 15:16:27 THAT I THINK I STRUGGLE WITH THE 15:16:30 DATA PRESENTATION AND THE DATA REQUEST PIECE. I 15:16:34 THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE 15:16:37 DATA AND PRESENTATION INFORMATION IF WE ARE 15:16:40 GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. I THINK 15:16:43 THAT PRESENTING IT AT A MEETING IS ONE 15:16:46 OF THE ONLY WAYS, BECAUSE THE 15:16:49 MEETING IS RECORDED, 15:16:53 AND WE ARE HERE, IT IS ONE 15:16:56 OF THE ONLY WAYS FOR THE INFORMATION TO BE SHARED. 15:17:01 BUT IS THERE, WITHOUT VIOLATING THE PUBLIC MEETING 15:17:04 LAWS, IS THERE A WAY, JUSTIN, FOR A 15:17:08 DATA REQUEST, SAY, ABOUT RENT 15:17:11 INCREASES OR WHATEVER 15:17:15 FOR THAT REQUEST FROM A COMMISSIONER 15:17:20 TO BE FULFILLED BUT 15:17:23 SENDS THE PRESENTATION OR THE SLIDE SHOW OR THE 15:17:27 INFORMATION OR SUMMARY VIA 15:17:30 E-MAIL TO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS. IS THAT AN OPTION? 15:17:33 INSTEAD OF TAKING SORT OF TO AMBER'S POINT, 15:17:36 INSTEAD OF TAKING TIME DURING A MEETING TO HEAR 15:17:39 A PRESENTATION, WE INSTEAD LIKE 15:17:43 WE GOT THE SLIDE DECK FROM 15:17:46 THE PRESENTATION AHEAD OF TIME WOULD WE 15:17:50 BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR ALL PRESENTATIONS? 15:17:56 >> JUSTIN: NOT FOR ALL. 15:17:59 ONE SECOND, SORRY. 15:18:27 AS A STANDARD WE CAN'T FOR ALL 15:18:30 PRESENTATIONS, WE CAN'T NOT PRESENT. DEPENDING 15:18:33 ON THE VOLUME IT IS POSSIBLE 15:18:37 TO SEND OUT THE PRESENTATION VIA E-MAIL TO THE 15:18:40 COMMISSIONERS AND POST IT ONLINE. THEN NOT 15:18:43 PRESENT. WE CAN ABIDE THE PUBLIC MEETING LAWS. 15:18:47 WE WANT TO BE AWARE OF STAFF TIME THAT GOES INTO 15:18:51 THE PRESENTATIONS AS WELL. MAKING SURE THAT THESE 15:18:55 PRESENTATIONS ARE PRESENTED WHEN POSSIBLE TO GIVE THE COMMISSION 15:18:58 AND THE PUBLIC AS MUCH TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS 15:19:01 AND DO A DEEP DIVE. 15:19:07 >> LAURA: GOT IT, 15:19:10 YES, I THINK THE FOLLOWUP 15:19:13 QUESTIONS ARE OFTEN VERY ENLIGHTENING. 15:19:19 WE HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES BEFORE OUR BREAK. 15:19:26 CAN WE TAKE A STRAW VOTE 15:19:29 OF WHO THINKS IT IS 15:19:33 WORTH PURSUING AT LEAST ONE SUBCOMMITTEE WITHOUT 15:19:37 DETERMINING THE TOPIC, BEFORE WE ASK JUSTIN TO GO 15:19:40 DOWN THE ROAD OF DOING TOO MUCH WORK ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE. WHAT DO YOU 15:19:43 THINK, COMMISSIONERS, OF TRYING OUT A 15:19:47 SUBCOMMITTEE EITHER ON ONE OF THE WORK PLAN TOPICS OR SOMETHING ELSE. 15:19:53 YES, NO, THUMBS UP? >> JUSTIN: 15:19:57 I WOULD GO DOWN THE ROSTER. >> LAURA: 15:20:00 THANK YOU, MAKE IT AN OFFICIAL VOTE. >> JUSTIN: 15:20:08 SUBCOMMITTEE WITH THE TOPIC TO BE DETERMINED. LAW A? 15:20:11 >> LAURA: YES. >> JUSTIN: 15:20:18 IAN. >> IAN: YES. >> JUSTIN: 15:20:22 >> YES. >> VIVIEN. 15:20:26 >> YES. >> REGINA. 15:20:30 >> YES. 15:20:33 >> KRISTINA. >> YES. 15:20:38 >> PIPPA. 15:20:42 >> YES. 15:20:49 >> EMILY. >> YES. 15:20:54 >> STEPHANIE. >> YES. >> JUSTIN: 15:21:00 PERFECT, WE HAVE PASSED ONE SUBCOMMITTEE. >> LAURA: 15:21:04 OKAY, WE'RE ONE STEP CLOSER. 15:21:09 NOW I'M TRYING TO GET MYSELF WOUND 15:21:12 UP SO WE CAN DO SOME URGENCY AND 15:21:15 GET SOMETHING DECIDED ON THE NEXT TOPIC AFTER THE BREAK. 15:21:20 WHAT DO WE WANT TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE ABOUT? 15:21:25 WE HAVE GOT ON THE REST OF OUR 15:21:28 WORK PLAN, WE 15:21:32 COMBINED FOR OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING 15:21:35 ANTI-HARASSMENT AND DISCUSSION OF ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM WITHIN 15:21:38 THE RENTAL SERVICES OFFICE. THEN FOR OUR 15:21:42 NOVEMBER MEETING WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS 15:21:45 EVICTION, LEGAL DEFENSE, AND THE RENTAL REGISTRY. 15:21:49 WE COULD TAKE EITHER OF THOSE 15:21:52 FOUR TOPICS, GROUP THEM TOGETHER, HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE. 15:21:56 WE ALREADY DECIDED WE WOULD GROUP 15:21:59 ANTI-HARASSMENT AND ENFORCEMENT AND TALK ABOUT THAT 15:22:02 SEPTEMBER, AND EVICTION/LEGAL 15:22:06 DEFENSE/RENTAL REGISTRY IN NOVEMBER. WE 15:22:09 DON'T HAVE TO DO COMBINED BUT WE HAVE THOSE FOUR ISSUES. 15:22:14 I DON'T KNOW, 72.6% 15:22:17 THROUGH THE REST ASSISTANCE 15:22:21 14.6 RENT CAP, AREN'T 15:22:24 INCREASE WHICH IS NOW 10% THANKS TO SB 15:22:27 611. AND MY SUGGESTION ABOUT A FAIR ORDINANCE. 15:22:32 THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER SUGGESTION 15:22:36 FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE. 15:22:39 DOES ANYBODY WANT TO CHIME 15:22:42 IN OR PROPOSE ANYTHING SUCH AS GOING IN THE ORDER ARE 15:22:45 ORDER OF THE WORK PLAN ITEMS? PUSHING 15:22:49 SOMETHING AHEAD OF THE LINE, ANY IDEAS OR THOUGHTS? 15:22:56 AMBER. >> AMBER: 15:23:01 WE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO OUR LIST AND IT IS A GOOD LIST. 15:23:06 I HAVE OF RESPECT FOR THAT. AND ALSO THE FACT 15:23:09 THAT A GOOD SIX MONTHS HAVE GONE BY. 15:23:13 IF WE WANTED TO LOOK 15:23:17 AT -- LOOKING AT THOSE FOUR 15:23:20 THINGS, AS WELL AS THE TESTIMONIES, 15:23:24 THE LISTENING SESSION ISSUES THAT WE HEARD 15:23:28 HEARD, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING 15:23:32 CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO US. THAT IS A REASONABLE BALANCE. 15:23:37 ESPECIALLY IF FOR EXAMPLE ONE WAS A LANDLORD 15:23:40 CONCERN AND ONE WAS A RENTER CONCERN. 15:23:43 >> AMBER, MY APOLOGIES IF I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING. 15:23:49 WHAT SPECIFICALLY WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE AS THE SUBCOMMITTEE 15:23:52 ISSUE, SUBCOMMITTEE TOPIC? >> AMBER: 15:23:55 GOT YOU. 15:23:59 MY PICTURE, I COULD BE WRONG, 15:24:03 SO I CAN HAPPILY BE REMINDED BY PEOPLE WHO 15:24:07 WENT THROUGH THE LISTENING SESSION TESTIMONIES IN MORE DETAIL. 15:24:10 SEE WE HEARD REPEATEDLY FROM LANDLORDS ABOUT 15:24:13 FAIR HOUSING CONCERNS THEN WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF 15:24:17 RENTERS ABOUT THE INABILITY TO AFFORD RENT. 15:24:21 AND BEING HARASSED BY THE LANDLORDS. 15:24:25 TO ME THOSE ARE TWO MAJOR -- TWO 15:24:28 OR THREE MAJOR TOPICS. >> LAURA: OKAY. IAN? 15:24:35 >> IAN: 15:24:39 WHAT WAS THAT AMBER? >> AMBER: 15:24:42 SORRY MY INTERNET BLEEP OUT OCCASIONALLY. 15:24:46 I THINK I WAS JUST RECAPPING. 15:24:50 >> IAN: I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A 15:24:54 SUBCOMMITTEE THAT'S COMMITTED TO FEEDBACK 15:24:57 FOR FOLKS THAT TESTIFY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SORT 15:25:01 OF -- THE BROAD BRUSH OVERVIEW OF IT. 15:25:04 I THINK MY ONLY -- MAYBE IT'S NOT A 15:25:08 CONCERN BUT IN ADDITION TO ALL OF 15:25:11 THOSE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO. 15:25:16 I LIKE IT A LOT. 15:25:20 IF OUR GOAL IS TO CHIP AWAY AT THOSE 15:25:23 ITEMS IT FEELS LIKE WE SHOULD, AND I THINK THIS 15:25:27 WAS YOUR QUESTION, LAURA, 15:25:30 DELEGATE ONE OF THEM TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE. 15:25:35 I WOULD SAY I DON'T FEEL SO STRONGLY THAT 15:25:39 IT SHOULD BE OR EVEN LIKE -- WHEN YOU SAID IT, AMBER, I WAS 15:25:42 LIKE THAT IS SUCH A GOOD IDEA. WE HAVE STRUGGLED 15:25:44 WITH MEANINGFULLY RESPONDING TO PEOPLE COMING UP WITH GREAT IDEAS OR CONCERNS. 15:25:55 IT MAY BE AT ODDS WITH TRYING TO BE MORE EFFICIENT AND PRODUCTIVE 15:25:58 WITH WHAT'S COMING OUT OF HERE. 15:26:10 >> OTHER THOUGHTS, WE HAVE ABOUT NINE MINUTES, WE HAVE 15:26:14 PLENTY OF TIME FOR OTHER THINKING. 15:26:18 I'LL JUST FILL SOME TIME BY SAYING THAT I THINK 15:26:21 IF WE DID TAKE ON A 15:26:25 SUBCOMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE FEEDBACK 15:26:28 -- THE INPUT THAT WE HEARD FROM THE 15:26:32 LISTENING SESSION AND HOW WE WANT TO RESPOND, THE STRUCTURE 15:26:36 OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE AS JUSTIN EXPLAINED IT, CLEAR 15:26:39 BOUNDARIES ON TOPIC, CLEAR TIMELINE, REPORTING BACK. 15:26:43 THE SUBCOMMITTEE COULD THEN SAY OKAY, 15:26:46 THERE WAS A GROUP OF -- LOTS OF 15:26:49 FEEDBACK AND SEVERAL TOPICS THAT 15:26:52 PEOPLE RAISED IN THE LISTENING SESSION. THE 15:26:55 SUBCOMMITTEE IS GOING TO FOCUS ON TWO OR THREE. OR 15:26:59 ONE OR TWO, WHATEVER. THE 15:27:03 SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD HAVE WLAT TUD THERE TO DO THAT, LATITUDE. 15:27:06 OTHER THOUGHTS? 15:27:12 OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT SUBCOMMITTEE S 15:27:16 SUBCOMMITTEES, JUMPING -- HAVING A 15:27:20 SUBCOMMITTEE ADDRESS THE LISTENING SESSION, INPUT 15:27:23 AS OPPOSED TO ADDRESSING WHAT'S ON THE WORK PLAN? 15:27:32 IAN? 15:27:35 >> IAN: LAURA CAN 15:27:38 YOU QUICKLY SAY THOSE TOPICS AGAIN. >> LAURA: 15:27:42 ANTI-HARASSMENT. 15:27:45 ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM WITHIN THE RENTAL SERVICES OFFICE. 15:27:49 EVICTION LEGAL DEFENSE PROGRAM. AND THE RENTAL REGISTRY. 15:27:55 AGAIN WHAT WE DECIDED 15:27:59 WAS THAT ANTI-HARASSMENT AND THE ENFORCEMENT 15:28:02 MECHANISM, BECAUSE OF OUR COMPRESSED MEETING 15:28:05 SCHEDULE, WE WOULD ADDRESS THOSE IN SEPTEMBER. 15:28:10 OH EVICTION, LEGAL DEFENSE, 15:28:13 PROGRAM REGISTRY IN NOVEMBER, KNOWING THAT THIS IS 15:28:16 A HUGE AMOUNT OF WORK TO BITE OFF 15:28:19 FOR THIS COMMISSION WITH THIS STRUCTURE. 15:28:23 >> IAN: YES, THE TWO THINGS THAT CAME 15:28:27 TO MIND IS THE LATTER TWO 15:28:30 RENTAL REGISTRATION AND THE 15:28:33 LDP FEEL LIKE SORT OF PHP LED 15:28:36 INITIATIVES MORE RECENTLY WITH THE LEGAL DEFENSE. 15:28:40 I DON'T KNOW WHY I FEEL THIS, BUT THEY WOULD BE BETTER 15:28:43 SERVED BY HAVING A PRESENTATION TO THE FULL COMMISSION. 15:28:47 MAYBE SUGGESTED FOR THE BIGGER TRANSPARENCY PIECES. 15:28:52 I THINK THAT THE OTHER ONES, IF 15:28:55 WE'RE PAIRING THEM OR NOT, ENFORCEMENT 15:28:59 PIECE, BETTER SERVES BY HAVING A DEEPER DIVE BY A 15:29:02 SMALLER GROUP. THE THING I WOULD ASK FOR, I 15:29:05 DON'T WANT TO CAV Y59 THE PROCESS TOO MUCH, BUT MY 15:29:10 OBSERVATION IS THIS GROUP HAS RESPONDED WELL WITH OPTIONS. 15:29:13 LIKE A FEW FAIRLY DESIGNED OPTIONS. 15:29:17 IF THAT IS COMING OUT OF THE SUB IT IN I OR 15:29:20 9 COMMITTEE, THAT WOULD BE -- COMMITTEE, THAT WOULD BE POWERFUL. 15:29:23 WITH THE TOPIC THAT BIG THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS ONE COULD GO. 15:29:29 YOU COULD SAY MORE EXPENSIVE, LESS 15:29:33 EXPENSIVE, DECENTRALIZED, CENTRALIZED, 15:29:36 WITH DIFFERENT MODELS IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR 15:29:39 THE GROUP TO THEN RESPOND 15:29:42 TO IT IN ADVANCE. >> LAURA: 15:29:46 GREAT, THANK YOU IAN. 15:29:49 COMMENTS, THOUGHTS ABOUT IAN'S SUGGESTION? 15:30:01 WE SEEM TO BE AT A PAUSE TIME. 15:30:04 MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE OUR BREAK NOW. 15:30:09 LET THIS MARINADE AND CHEW ON IT A LITTLE 15:30:13 BIT, THEN WE'LL COME BACK 15:30:18 AND PICK UP ON THE RENT 15:30:21 CAP, RENT INCREASE CAP AND RENT ASSISTANCE CONVERSATION. 15:30:25 THEN WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC TESTIMONY. THEN WE HAVE GOT 15 15:30:28 MINUTES AT THE END OF THE MEETING WHERE WE CAN 15:30:31 COME BACK TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE ISSUE. 15:30:35 JUSTIN CAN WE TAKE OUR BREAK NOW. >> JUSTIN: 15:30:39 LET'S COME BACK AT 3:35. 15:35:15 >>EOUS TIN: ALL RIGHT, IT IS 3:35. 15:35:20 H. 15:35:25 T'S GET BACK ON MERE. 15:35:46 LAWYER A LET ME KNOW WOULD YOU 15:35:50 PREFER TO FINISH OUR CONVERSATION ON THE SUBCOMMITTEES 15:35:53 OR JUMP RIGHT INTO THE DISCUSSION 15:35:57 AND THEN FINISH IT AFTER THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY? 15:36:06 >> LAURA: AMBER, ROCK STAR, 15:36:10 GO FOR IT. >> AMBER: I WANT TO MAKE A REQUEST. 15:36:13 I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR IAN TO REPEAT WHAT HE SAID. 15:36:17 AND I REALIZE WHY I NEED TO ASK THAT. WHEN THERE'S 15:36:20 A LIST OF SAY 3 OR 4 OR 5 15:36:24 THINGS I FIND MYSELF SCRAMBLING TO GET THAT IN WRITING. 15:36:28 I CAN'T HOLD ALL THOSE THINGS IN MY HEAD WHILE ALSO LISTENING AND PROCESSING. 15:36:33 I WAS TYPING IN THE CHAT AND REALIZED I DIDN'T 15:36:36 REALLY HEAR WHAT HE SAID AND I WANT TO HEAR IT. 15:36:40 THAT BRINGS ME TO LIKE, A FRIENDLY 15:36:43 REQUEST, MAYBE, I UNDERSTAND WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING IT CAN BE HARD TO TALK AND TYPE. 15:36:48 IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF WE'RE 15:36:52 REVIEWING LISTS OF THINGS IF THEY CAN BE WRITTEN. OR 15:36:55 I'LL NEED TO BE WRITING THEM DONE 15:36:57 AND I'LL MISS SOME OF THE DISCUSSION. I HOPE THAT IS LIKE A REASONABLE REQUEST. 15:37:02 I'M NOT TRYING TO FORCE ANYTHING 15:37:05 ON US THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T NEED. BUT SINCE WE 15:37:08 TALKED ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY CHECK-INS, I REALIZE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME. 15:37:17 >> LAURA: THANKS, AMBER, AND 15:37:21 I THINK THAT'S NOT WRONG. EACH OF US WOULD HAVE 15:37:25 CHALLENGES TRYING TO TALK AND TYPE OUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING. 15:37:30 MAYBE GIVE EACH OTHER A LITTLE GRACE AND TIME. 15:37:34 IAN, COULD YOU REPEAT WHAT 15:37:38 YOU SAID, AND I WILL TRY MY BEST TO KEEP TYPE IT IN THE CHAT. 15:37:49 WAIT, AMBER? >> AMBER: 15:37:53 I MEANT THE LIST OF FOUR THINGS THAT ARE ON THE LIST AND THE 15:37:56 LIST OF THINGS FROM THE LISTENING SESSION, THAT'S THE LIST I MEANT. 15:38:00 I CAN TAKE IN IDEAS, IT'S LIKE WE NEED TO INCORPORATE 15:38:04 THESE FOUR THINGS, IT IS HELPFUL TO HAVE 15:38:07 THAT IN WRITING. >> LAURA: 15:38:12 OKAY, SO THEY EXIST IN OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN. 15:38:16 TO YOUR POINT, AMBER, AND I ASKED THIS BEFORE A 15:38:19 WHILE AGO, IF WE HAVE MEETING MINUTES THAT ARE IN WRITING. 15:38:24 I KNOW THAT THAT WOULD REALLY HELP ME SO I 15:38:28 CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE GOT. 15:38:35 DID YOU WANT IAN TO RECAP WHAT HE TALKED ABOUT? 15:38:38 >> YES, BUT I DON'T NEED YOU TO TYPE IT OUT. >> LAURA: 15:38:42 IAN, TAKE IT AWAY. >> IAN: SORRY ABOUT THAT. 15:38:47 YOU CAUGHT ME AT A MOMENT WHERE I WAS LEAST AVAILABLE. 15:38:51 WHAT WAS I SAYING. 15:38:59 THE TWO PHB OVERSEEING 15:39:02 TOPICS SEEM BETTER PRESENTED WITH THIS GROUP FOR THE 15:39:06 TRANSPARENCY REASONS, THAT THEY ARE 15:39:10 SQUARELY BEEN THE BHB WORLD. 15:39:13 RENTAL REGISTRY AND EVICTION LEGAL DEFENSE. 15:39:17 IN TERMS OF FIGHTING OFF SOME OR ALL OF THE OTHER 15:39:20 TWO, WHICH WAS ANTI-HARASSMENT 15:39:23 AND ASSOCIATED ENFORCEMENT 15:39:26 MECHANISM WHICH I THINK WOULD BE LIMITED TO 15:39:31 ANTI-HARASSMENT BUT COULD BE BROADER GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT REPAIRS AND 15:39:34 OTHER ITEMS THAT COME UP. 15:39:41 THOSE COULD BENEFIT FROM A DEEP DIVE WITHIN A SUBCOMMITTEE. 15:39:45 MY LAST COMMENT, AND I DID PREFACE 15:39:48 WITH I DO NOT WANT TO DEFINE 15:39:52 THE PROCESS FOR A COMMITTEE OR 15:39:55 SUBCOMMITTEE, BECAUSE THEY'RE GREAT FOLKS IN THIS GROUP 15:39:58 THAT CAN THINK OF THINGS THAT I 15:40:01 WOULDN'T PRESENT OR NECESSARILY WOULDN'T WORK FOR ME BUT ARE IMPORTANT TO LIFT UP DIFFERENTLY. 15:40:06 ONE WAY I OBSERVED THIS GROUP RESPONDING WELL, 15:40:09 AND MORE QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY, IS WHEN 15:40:12 THERE ARE OPTIONS PRESENTED. 15:40:16 AND SO IF THE COMMITTEE COULD 15:40:19 COME FORWARD WITH THOSE OPTIONS OR A LIST OF OPTIONS 15:40:22 TO SORT OF CHOOSE FROM OR FINE TUNE. 15:40:25 I THINK IT WOULD MAKE THAT GETTING 15:40:29 TO THE DECISIONS POSSIBLE. 15:40:36 AMBER LET ME KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING I MISSED. OR YOU WANT ME TO FOLLOW UP ON. 15:40:40 >> JUSTIN: I 15:40:43 TRIED IN THE CHAT TO GATHER THAT INFORMATION. 15:40:47 IF THAT'S CORRECT. THE OTHER 15:40:50 OPTION AS WELL IS TO HAVE THESE 15:40:53 TOPICS PRESENTED 15:40:56 IN SLIGHT DETAIL FIRST PART OF THE MEETING, IF 15:41:00 PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE, DO 15:41:03 THAT IN THE FIRST MEETING, THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE. 15:41:07 THAT BEING SAID, IT IS POSSIBLE 15:41:10 THAT PEOPLE 15:41:14 MAY NOT JOIN WITHOUT THE TOPIC GOING INTO IT, AFTER 15:41:17 THE TOPIC IS CHOSEN. THAT'S 15:41:20 AN OPTION FOR CHOOSING THE TOPIC. 15:41:25 >> LAURA: THANK YOU, JUSTIN. 15:41:29 I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE MORE TRANSPARENT TO HAVE 15:41:32 THE SUBCOMMITTEE TOPIC SELECTED SO THAT 15:41:36 PEOPLE COULD THEN SAY YES I'M INTERESTED, I WANT TO BE ON THAT. 15:41:39 INSTEAD OF SAYING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE AND 15:41:42 WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. THEN A 15:41:45 TOPIC IS CHOSEN AND I'M LIKE WAIT A MINUTE, I WANTED 15:41:48 TO BE ON THAT AND NOW I CAN'T. I WOULD 15:41:51 ENCOURAGE US TO THINK ABOUT WHAT SUBCOMMITTEE 15:41:55 TOPICS -- WHAT TOPIC DO WE WANT FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE. 15:41:59 I WILL E JUST CONTINUE TO BE A LITTLE PUSHY AND SAY 15:42:02 POSSIBLY A SECOND SUBCOMMITTEE IF WE CAN 15:42:07 ENCOURAGE AND URGE PHB 15:42:11 TO STRETCH AND HELP US STAFF A SECOND SUBCOMMITTEE. 15:42:18 BUT PICK THE TOPIC FOR ONE, AND, TWO, GO 15:42:21 TO IANED POINT ABOUT OPTIONS. 15:42:25 I THINK IF WE 15:42:28 LOOK AT THE OPTIONS 15:42:31 IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY 15:42:34 DETERMINED IS ON OUR WORK PLAN. THE 15:42:37 FIRST QUESTION FOR ME WOULD BE WE 15:42:40 ALREADY TOOK TIME TO GO THROUGH AND 15:42:44 CREATE TOPICS THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IN OUR WORK PLAN. 15:42:48 DO WE WANT TO USE THOSE 15:42:51 AS OPTIONS FOR SUBCOMMITTEE. 15:42:55 AND THEN ADD OTHER THINGS LIKE THE FAIR ORDINANCE. 15:42:59 OR DO WE WANT TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE. 15:43:07 THE MECHANICS OF SELECTING A SUBCOMMITTEE 15:43:11 TOPIC ARE GOING TO BE 15:43:16 -- HOW FAR DOWN THE ROAD OF OPTIONS DO YOU WANT TO GO. 15:43:20 THAT COULD BE AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF TIME. 15:43:28 IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TIME, CAPACITY AND PACE WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. 15:43:39 NOT SQUASH ANYTHING BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE TIME WE HAVE TO 15:43:42 DO IT IN ONE OF OUR 15:43:45 MEETINGS, WE HAVE TO PROCESS THROUGH OPTIONS. 15:43:58 AT THIS POINT I WANT TO GO BACK 15:44:02 TO OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT 15:44:05 RENT ASSISTANCE 15:44:09 AND THE RENT INCREASE CAP, WHICH WHEN 15:44:12 WE WERE DISCUSSING IT BEFORE, 15:44:15 611 HAD NOT PASSED. 15:44:19 NOW IT HAS PASSED. BUT I 15:44:22 THINK WE COULD BE VERY CLOSE 15:44:25 TO PUTTING TOGETHER A 15:44:28 RECOMMENDATION 15:44:32 ON THESE TWO TOPICS THAT WE DECIDED TOGETHER. 15:44:39 WE DID A PRESENTATION ABOUT RENT ASSISTANCE. 15:44:48 611 PASSED, THE MAXIMUM RENT INCREASE IS 10%. 15:44:57 WHAT DOES THAT DO, WHAT DOES 15:45:01 611'S PASSAGE, IN PARTICULAR, AND THE 15:45:04 TAKEAWAY FROM THE PRESENTATION 15:45:07 ABOUT RENT ASSISTANCE, WHAT THOUGHTS DO YOU HAVE, WHAT 15:45:11 QUESTIONS DO YOU ALL HAVE, WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED 15:45:14 TO KNOW FOR US TO FORMULATE A 15:45:18 RECOMMENDATION TO COMMISSIONER RUBIO AS HEAD 15:45:22 OF THE HOUSING BUREAU AND THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT 15:45:25 ACTIONS THEY SHOULD TAKE 15:45:30 ON THOSE TWO ISSUES. 15:45:37 ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS, IDEAS? 15:45:50 I'M GOING TO PROPOSE SOMETHING JUST TO MAYBE 15:45:54 GET SOME REACTION AND GET YOU TO POKE AT. 15:45:57 WHAT I THINK ON THE RENT ASSISTANCE PIECE -- THERE ARE TWO PIECES. 15:46:03 WITH THE PASSAGE OF 611 WE'RE IN A MUCH 15:46:07 BETTER PLACE AT 10% 15:46:11 INCREASE CAP THAN THE 14% 15:46:15 14.6% CAP. 15:46:22 IT'S ALREADY PUT SEVERAL OF OUR CLIENTS AT EASE KNOWING THAT THAT CAP IS LOWERED. 15:46:27 KNOWING ALSO THAT THE CITY OF PORTLAND 15:46:33 CANNOT DO ANYTHING MORE RESTRICTIVE, IF I'M 15:46:36 CORRECT ABOUT THAT. THE CITY OF PORTLAND CANNOT SAY 15:46:40 WE WANT A 5% RENT INCREASE CAP, CORRECT? 15:46:45 OKAY, YES. KNOWING THAT THE CITY OF 15:46:49 PORTLAND CAN'T DO THAT, MY RECOMMENDATION 15:46:52 ON THAT TO CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE 15:46:57 CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STATE 15:47:00 LEGISLATORS TO 15:47:03 ADDRESS OTHER OPTION 15:47:06 S FOR 15:47:10 -- TO REVIEW WHAT PASSED 15:47:14 IN 611 AND DETERMINE 15:47:21 WHETHER OR NOT THAT COULD BE LOWER. BASICALLY 15:47:24 RECOMMEND THAT THEY STAY CONNECT ED 15:47:27 WITH STATE LEGISLATORS. THE OTHER 15:47:31 ISSUE, NEXT YEAR IS A SHORT LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 15:47:34 THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACTION AND ACTIVITY THAT CAN BE DONE MAYBE ON THAT ISSUE. 15:47:46 THE RECOMMENDATION I WOULD ASK OF THE CITY IS TO 15:47:50 IMMEDIATELY SO THE ASIDE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS, LIKE 15:47:54 SOMEWHERE IN THE $10 MILLION 15:47:57 RANGE, YOU KNOW, GO BIG OR GO 15:48:00 HOME, FOR AREN'T 15:48:04 ASSISTANCE -- FOR RENT ASSISTANCE EVEN AT THE 15:48:07 RAPID REHOUSING LEVEL WHICH IS TWO YEARS. 15:48:11 THEN WORK WITH THE COUNTY 15:48:15 TO ADVOCATE FOR FASTER SPENDING ON 15:48:19 SUPPORTIVE HOUSING SERVICES DOLLARS BEING ALLOCATED TO THE 15:48:23 LONG TERM RENT ASSISTANCE VOUCHERS. 15:48:27 THOSE WOULD BE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I THINK WE COULD PUT 15:48:30 TOGETHER RELATIVELY QUICKLY, RELATIVE 15:48:33 BEING THE OPERATIVE WORD. THOSE ARE MY IDEAS. 15:48:38 I WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL OF YOU 15:48:42 ABOUT THAT. 15:48:49 IAN? >> IAN: 15:48:53 I HEARD THE SECOND PIECE. CAN YOU 15:48:56 REPEAT AFTER YOU WERE SAYING 15:49:00 THE CITY COULDN'T 15:49:04 IMPOSE ITS OWN RENT STABILIZATION APPROACH, 15:49:08 DID YOU HAVE A THOUGHT THERE? >> LAURA: 15:49:12 I MEAN WHAT I THINK WOULD BE NICE 15:49:15 WOULD BE TO ASK THE CITY TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE IN 15:49:19 THE RENT CAP BUT THEY CAN'T. 15:49:23 INSTEAD ASK THE CITY TO WORK WITH 15:49:26 STATE LEGISLATORS TO EVALUATE 15:49:30 611 IMPACT 15:49:34 S AND DETERMINE 15:49:38 WHETHER OR NOT THAT 10% CAP 15:49:41 COULD BE BROUGHT DOWN. NOT MUCH IN THIS 15:49:44 GROUP -- EVERYBODY IN THIS GROUP IS GOING TO AGREE WITH THAT, BUT JUST MY IDEA. 15:49:50 I THINK OUR SUPER POWER IS MAKING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. 15:49:53 I THINK IF WE CAN GIVE THE CITY COUNCIL A 15:49:58 SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION, YOU CITY COUNCIL 15:50:01 MEMBERS HAVE POSITIONAL POWER, GO WORK 15:50:04 WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE, SPECIFICALLY ON 15:50:07 THESE RENT CAP ISSUES. AND WORK WITH THEM. 15:50:13 THAT WOULD BE MY IDEA. 15:50:18 >> IAN: I LIKE THAT. 15:50:22 I'M ALSO REMEMBERING THAT MANDATORY RELOCATION ASSISTANCE 15:50:25 WAS SET UP NOT AS A RENT 15:50:29 STABILIZATION SCHEME AND THE COURTS APPROVED THAT, BUT 15:50:32 TO PROVIDE A FINANCIAL 15:50:36 DISINCENTIVE FOR CERTAIN PROPOSED 15:50:40 LEASE TERMINATIONS AND FOR ANY 15:50:44 RENT INCREASE ABOVE 10%. I WOULD LOVE TO BE CHECKED 15:50:48 BY ANYONE ON THE CALL. UNLESS THAT HAS BEEN ADJUSTED. 15:50:52 IT WAS ADJUSTED DURING THE PANDEMIC, THE 10%. 15:50:55 I THINK IT'S NOW RENDERED MOOT. 15:50:58 IF YOU CANNOT GO ABOVE 10% -- THERE ARE 15:51:01 CERTAIN CARVEOUTS FOR BUILDINGS OF A CERTAIN AGE, ET CETERA. 15:51:07 BUT FOR A LARGE, LARGE SWATH OF THE RENTAL 15:51:10 MARKET, THAT 10% THRESHOLD WILL 15:51:13 NEVER BE MET, SO THE MANDATORY 15:51:17 RELOCATION WOULDN'T BE TRIGGERED ON THE RENTAL OUTSIDE. 15:51:21 THERE IS A POTENTIAL TOOL THAT THE CITY COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER. 15:51:26 WE, THIS BODY, MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION IN JUNE 15:51:29 OR JULY OF 2021 LETTER. 15:51:32 SO WE COULD LOOK BACK AT THAT LANGUAGE. I THINK IT WAS SECTION 1 OR 2. 15:51:41 ON THE SECOND POINT, 15:51:46 PROBABLY A BIG CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN HAVE ON THIS ONE. 15:51:52 THE CAUTION FROM THE OWNER STANDPOINT, THE 15:51:55 RAPID REHOUSING ASSISTANCE, TWO YEARS I LIKE. 15:52:04 HAS PUT OWNERS IN A TOUGH POSITION WHEN THAT CLIFF IS HIT. 15:52:20 THIS IS A REAL ISSUE. WE PUT SO MUCH TIME 15:52:23 INTO GETTING FOLKS HOUSED AND GETTING THEM STABLY HOUSED. 15:52:31 I ALWAYS ADVOCATE FOR EMERGENCY RENT ASSISTANCE 15:52:35 TO SOLVE AN EXISTING PROBLEM AND LONGER RENT 15:52:38 ASSISTANCE FOR THE GREATER PORTABILITY ISSUE. I'M NOT 15:52:41 OPPOSED TO IT BUT I WANT TO LIFT IT UP AS A REAL 15:52:45 ISSUE THAT WE EXPERIENCE EN MASSE. 15:52:51 TAX CREDITS, FRIENDLY HOUSING PROVIDERS. 15:52:54 >> LAURA: THANK THE, IAN. MATTHEW? 15:52:57 >> MATTHEW: I HAD A QUESTION. 15:53:01 FOR THE MANDATORY RELOCATION ASSISTANCE IT WAS SET 15:53:04 AT 10% EVEN WHEN THE STATE LEVEL WAS HIGHER. 15:53:08 10%, IF THE RENT INCREASE WENT UP BY 10% OR MORE. 15:53:12 THERE MUST HAVE BEEN JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT. THEY COULD HAVE 15:53:16 JUST SET IT AT WHATEVER THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX 15:53:19 WAS OR LOWER LEVEL. THEY CHOSE AT THE CITY LEVEL 10%. 15:53:26 AS THE CORRECT AMOUNT YOU CAN CHARGE WITHOUT TRAGERING THAT. NOW THE STATE HAS FOLLOWED SUIT. 15:53:33 I DON'T REMEMBER THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER. 15:53:36 I WONDER IF ANYONE ELSE DID OR WAS THAT A RANDOM 15:53:39 NUMBER THEY PICKED OUT OF A HAT. >> I 15:53:42 THINK IT WAS A POLITICAL CONSIDERATION. 15:53:46 GET IT OVER THE LINE. >> LAURA: I WAS GOING TO SAY. 15:53:49 >> MATTHEW: IT WASN'T 15:53:52 CRUNCHING THE NUMBERS AND THAT'S WHAT YOU NEEDED TO HAVE OR THE RENTAL MARKET FALLS APART? 15:53:57 >> IAN: THIS GROUP DID A 15:54:00 LOT OF WORK WITH JAMIE AT THE TIME. THE NUMBER CRUNCHING DID HAPPEN. 15:54:04 I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE 10% IS WHAT GOT IT TO YES. 15:54:10 SO THE 10% DOESN'T NECESSARILY REPRESENT THAT 15:54:14 NUMBER CRUNCHING, BUT THAT WORK DID HAPPEN. 15:54:19 >> MATTHEW: IF WE'RE GOING TO 15:54:22 WADE INTO THAT DEBATE I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AND SEE WHAT 15:54:25 THE JUSTIFICATION WAS FOR THAT. 15:54:28 THAT MIGHT BE A NONSTARTER, SOMETHING THAT WE 15:54:31 MIGHT WANT TO WADE INTO IF IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. OR 15:54:34 SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT. 15:54:38 PROBABLY BEEN THOUGHT OUT. >> LAURA: 15:54:42 I THINK WHEN THE NUMBERS WERE BEING 15:54:46 CRUNCHED, IT WAS 2018. 15:54:50 LATE 2017, 2018. 15:54:54 IT MIGHT LOOK DIFFERENT NOW. VIVIEN? 15:55:05 >> VIVIEN: I FORGOT MY 15:55:07 COMMENT AND I DIDN'T MAKE A NOTE OF IT. >> LAURA: WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. 15:55:11 AMBER? >> AMBER: 15:55:16 I THINK A QUESTION THAT IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT 15:55:20 IS WHY SHOULD THE STATE OR 15:55:23 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR ANYONE POUR 15:55:26 MONEY INTO ALLOWING 15:55:30 RENTERS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEIR RENT WHEN RENTS 15:55:33 COULD BE SET SO THEY CAN AFFORD THEM. 15:55:40 WONG THING IF YOU LOST YOUR JOB AND YOU ARE HAVING A HARD TIME. 15:55:43 ANOTHER THING IF YOU ARE GETTING SICK. BUT 15:55:47 IF RENTS ARE SET SO HIGH PEOPLE WHO ARE 15:55:50 WORKING CAN'T AFFORD TO RENT POURING 15:55:53 TAXPAYER MONEY INTO THAT TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR 15:55:56 RENTERS IS NOT A REALLY GOOD USE OF MONEY. 15:56:09 IF RENTS ARE SET SO THAT THEY 15:56:12 MATCH WAGES, YOU 15:56:15 LITERALLY CAN'T HAVE RENTS THAT DON'T MATCH WAGES. 15:56:19 THIS IS WHY WE HAVE PEOPLE EVICTED IN MASS NUMBERS EVERY SINGLE 15:56:23 DAY, EVERY SINGLE WEEK, EVERY SINGLE MONTH. 15:56:29 I UNDERSTAND THAT LANDLORD COSTS CAN BE 15:56:33 VERY, VERY HIGH WITH PROPERTY TAXES AND MORTGAGES AND THAT KIND OF THING. 15:56:44 WHAT LANDLORDS NEED TO SPEND TO HAVE THEIR PROPERTY AND WHAT THEY 15:56:47 CHARGE THE RENTERS CAN AFFORD COME TOGETHER. 15:56:56 GOOD RECOMMENDATION THAT HITS BOTH SIDES. 15:57:02 >> WHAT IS ACTIONABLE FOR THE CITY. 15:57:05 LAURA: IF WE 15:57:09 CAN, IN THAT DIALOGUE, IN 15:57:12 LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT IS AN ACTIONABLE RECOMMENDATION 15:57:15 THAT WE CAN GIVE TO THE CITY THAT THEY CAN DO. 15:57:29 RIM DAYSES ON WHAT THE CITY CAN DO WITH AREN'T CAPS AND WAGES. 15:57:43 >> CITY OFFICIALS TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF CHANGING THE STATE LAW. 15:57:52 >> THAT IS MY POINT EVEN IN COURAGING THEM TO GO TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE. 15:58:05 >> OTHER THOUGHTS, OTHER IDEAS. >> LAURA: 15:58:09 HOW DO PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT GOING FORWARD 15:58:12 WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE 15:58:15 CITY ON THE RENT CAP 15:58:19 ISSUE, TO RECOMMEND THAT THEY ENGAGE THE 15:58:22 STATE LEGISLATORS TO LOOK AT 15:58:25 OTHER CHANGES TO LAW S 15:58:32 ABOUT MUNICIPALITIES BEING ABLE TO CREATE THEIR OWN 15:58:35 RENT CAPS OR LIMITED RENT CAPS. 15:58:46 RENT CAPS IN THE RELOCATION OF ORDINANCE AS IT 15:58:49 RELATES TO THE RENT CAP ARTICULATED IN 611. 15:58:57 SECOND RECOMMENDATION ABOUT RECOMMENDING 15:59:00 TO THE CITY THAT 15:59:03 THEY MAKE AVAILABLE FUNDS FOR REST 15:59:07 ASSISTANCE, PERMANENT RENT ASSISTANCE, 15:59:10 LONG TERM RENT ASSISTANCE TIME PERIOD. I 15:59:13 AGREE SIX MONTHS ID NOT ENOUGH. 15:59:19 SIX MONTHS OF RENT ASSISTANCE IS NOT ENOUGH. THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING 15:59:26 RECOMMENDATION. THERE'S LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MEDICAID WAIVER, WHICH IS ONLY 15:59:29 SIX MONTHS OF RENT ASSISTANCE. 15:59:38 WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE, THAT SIX MONTHS CAN GO BY VERY FAST. 15:59:42 WE INVEST A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY AND ENERGY. 15:59:48 HOPE AND SUPPORT GETTING PEOPLE PLACED IN HOUSING. 15:59:51 THEY NEED RENT ASSISTANCE TO STAY THERE. 15:59:55 THEY DON'T NEED RENT ASSISTANCE TO EXPIRE AND LOSE THEIR HOUSING. 16:00:04 I THINK THE CITY COULD 16:00:07 ALLOCATE MORE DOLLARS TO RENT 16:00:10 ASSISTANCE THAT COULD BE DISTRIBUTED DIRECTLY IF THEY DON'T 16:00:13 WANT TO DEAL THROUGH THE JOINT OFFICE. THAT 16:00:17 WOULD BE ONE OTHER OPTION. 16:00:26 WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ON THAT. 16:00:31 VIVIEN DID YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY? >> VIVIEN: 16:00:36 WELL THIS RELATES TO ASSISTANCE, THE 16:00:39 LONG TERM 16:00:42 ASSISTANCE, THE CLIFF I THINK THAT I'M NOT SURE WHO IT WAS THAT REFERRED TO THAT. 16:00:52 COULD WE RECOMMEND RATHER THAN A CLIFF A GRADUATED STEPDOWN. 16:00:59 SO PEOPLE DON'T SUDDENLY FIND THOSES WITHOUT ASSISTANCE. 16:01:05 I'M NOT EXPERIENCED IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, I DON'T KNOW 16:01:08 IF IT MAKES ANY SENSE OR NOT. 16:01:16 I WONDER IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN RECOMMENDING 16:01:19 THAT ALONG WITH RECOMMENDING 16:01:24 A POOL OF MONEY FOR SHORT TERM RENT 16:01:27 ASSISTANCE, ADDING A CAVEAT OR 16:01:30 REQUIREMENT THAT IF A LANDLORD RECEIVES RENT 16:01:34 ASSISTANCE MORE THAN TWO TIMES IN A YEAR FOR THE SAME TENANT, SAME 16:01:37 PROPERTY, THEY BE REQUIRED TO GO TO 16:01:40 MEDIATION TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE RENT 16:01:43 IS SET AT A FAIR AND REASONABLE RATE. THERE'S A 16:01:46 LOT OF -- WOULD BE A LOT OF HURDLES 16:01:50 TO CLEAR. IT KIND OF ADDRESSES A CONCERN THAT 16:01:53 A LOT OF TENANT ADVOCATES HAVE 16:01:57 RELATED TO UNENDING LY 16:02:02 SUBSIDIZING UNREALISTIC RENT RATES. 16:02:11 >> LAURA: 16:02:15 VIVIEN DID YOU SAY A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF 16:02:18 TIMES A LANDLORD CAN GIVE RENT ASSISTANCE 16:02:21 -- >> VIVIEN: IT'S NOT A LIMIT, IT 16:02:24 WOULD IMPOSE AN OBLIGATION 16:02:29 FOR INSTANCE I'M, AS YOU KNOW, DOING EVICTION DEFENSE. 16:02:35 A PORTION OF THE EVICTION LEGAL DEFENSE PROGRAM THAT 16:02:38 I OVERSEE FOCUSES ON NONPAYMENTS. 16:02:41 WE HAVE A NUMBER OF REPEAT CLIENTS, FINANCIAL 16:02:46 ASSISTANCE PROVIDER WILL ONLY ALLOW UP 16:02:49 TO TWO APPLICATIONS FOR 16:02:52 ANYONE TENANT AT ONE ADDRESS. 16:02:58 AFTER THEY HAVE MAXED OUT ON THE NUMBER OF APPLICATION S 16:03:03 FOR WHICH THERE WAS A PAYOUT, AND UP TO A 16:03:06 MAXIMUM OF 10,000 PER HOUSEHOLD, 16:03:12 THEY CAN'T ACCESS FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, THEY CAN ACCESS LEGAL REPRESENTATION. 16:03:17 WHAT IT PUT ME IN MIND OF, WHEN SOMEBODY IS COMING 16:03:20 BACK TO THE PROGRAM MULTIPLE TIMES 16:03:23 NEEDING RENT ASSISTANCE, IT JUST 16:03:26 SHOWS, ESPECIALLY AS AMBER POINTED OUT, 16:03:29 WHEN THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE 16:03:33 EMPLOYED, IT SHOWS THAT THE RENT, IT'S NOT SET AT A REASONABLE, REALISTIC RATE. 16:03:43 NOT CONDITIONING THE RECEIPT, HOUSE BILL 16:03:46 2001 REQUIRED A LANDLORD TO 16:03:50 REASONABLY PARTICIPATE IN ASSISTANCE, THEY CAN'T GET OUT OF IT 16:03:53 WITHOUT HAVING THEY'RE VICK CASE DISMISSED. INSTEAD OF THAT THEY RECEIVE 16:03:58 ASSISTANCE. IF THEY HAVE A TENANT WHO IS SO BURDENED BY 16:04:01 THE RENT THAT WITHIN 12 MONTHS THEY'RE SEEK 16:04:04 ING RENT 16:04:08 ASSISTANCE MORE THAN TWO TIMES IN THE 12 MONTH 16:04:11 PERIOD THEY BE REQUIRED TO GO TO A 16:04:15 MEDIATOR TO DISCUSS IS THIS RENT SO THE AT A FAIR RATE. 16:04:19 NOW THAT'S THE RUB. THERE IS NO 16:04:22 REQUIREMENT THAT BEYOND THE CAP THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF WHAT A FAIR RATE IS. 16:04:27 THIS IS A PRETTY SQUISHY PROPOSAL. 16:04:30 I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE ANYWAY. 16:04:35 >> GOT IT, THANK YOU. MATTHEW? 16:04:40 >> THAT IS DISTURBING THEY CAN ONLY APPLY FOR IT TWICE. 16:04:46 THAT CERTAINLY IS NOT GOOD. 16:04:49 DOES THAT GET TO A LARGER ISSUE, 16:04:53 YOU NEVER KNOW HOW THEY FOUND THIS PLACE, WHAT THEY PRESENTED TO THE 16:04:56 LANDLORD, WHAT THE INCOME WAS. IT TAKES A BIT OF AGENCY 16:05:00 AWAY FROM THE TENANTS. 16:05:05 YOU CHOSE TO SIGN THIS CONTRACT. 16:05:08 I KNOW WHAT ARE YOUR OPTIONS IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING AVAILABLE. 16:05:11 MAYBE THERE ISN'T ANYTHING IN THE AREA. 16:05:16 OPENS UP THE PROBLEMS SO MAKES IT A 16:05:19 LANDLORD IF THEY'RE FORCED INTO THAT, THEY HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THAT. 16:05:24 BY CHARGING MORE IN THE RENT OR 16:05:28 MAKING SURE THE APPLICATIONS ARE STRINGENT. I 16:05:31 WORRY ABOUT THE DOWNSTREAM EFFECTS OF DOING 16:05:33 SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> VIVIEN: CAN I ADDRESS MATTHEW'S STATEMENT REAL QUICK? 16:05:38 THIS IS A SQUISHY PROPOSAL. I ABSOLUTELY ANTICIPATE ISSUES LIKE THAT. 16:05:57 I WOULD -- I'M RUNNING AFOUL OF THE FACT THAT -- SORRY. 16:06:01 I'M RUNNING AFOUL OF THE FACT THAT I WANT TO 16:06:06 MAKE THIS PART OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE BUT IT'S NOT FIRM 16:06:09 ENOUGH TO BE PART OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE. 16:06:17 THAT IS A RESTRICTION THAT COMES FROM THE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE PARTNER. 16:06:24 NOT FROM THE EVICTION LEGAL DEFENSE PROGRAM. 16:06:27 >> LAURA: THANKS, VIVIEN. KRISTINA? 16:06:32 YOU'RE ON MUTE. 16:06:38 >> KRISTINA: THANK YOU, ALMOST GOT THROUGH THE MEETING WITHOUT DOING THAT. 16:06:43 THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE MAYBE I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE THINGS. 16:06:46 WHO DOES, RIGHT? 16:06:52 VIVIEN YOU KNOW MORE THAN I DO. IF A LANDLORD CHANGES THE 16:06:55 RENT, AGREES TO CHANGE THE RENT, FOR ONE PERSON 16:06:58 DOESN'T FAIR HOUSING ACTUALLY REQUIRE THAT THEY THEN CHANGE IT FOR EVERYONE? 16:07:04 I THOUGHT I LEARNED YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY 16:07:07 CHARGE DIFFERENT RENTS TO DIFFERENT FOLKS, AM I WRONG ABOUT THAT? 16:07:19 >> IAN: YOU'RE NOT NOT WRONG. 16:07:24 YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE IN TERMS OF CONDITIONS, THEN CERTAINLY A TERM. 16:07:29 BUT WE HAVE AN ENTIRE SORT OF SUB INDUSTRY HOUSING 16:07:33 AUTHORITIES THAT DO EXACTLY THAT. 16:07:37 SOME ROUGHISH DEFINITION OF AFFORDABILITY. 16:07:41 THAT IS OUR MANDATE. 16:07:50 YES IT WOULD BE TRICKY. 16:07:55 >> MY PROPOSAL IS IN SORT OF THE 16:07:58 EMBRYONIC STAGES, BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 16:08:02 ALSO NOT SUGGESTING THAT THE MEDIATOR WOULD HAVE ANY 16:08:05 POWER TO FORCE THE LANDLORD TO CHANGE THE RENT RATE. 16:08:12 TO A LARGE EXTENT IT IS A PROPOSAL 16:08:15 TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A LOT 16:08:18 OF TENANTS WHO DESPERATELY NEED ACCESS TO RENT 16:08:21 ASSISTANCE AND NEED IT MORE THAN ONCE. THEY NEED IT 16:08:25 MORE THAN TWICE A LOT OF TIME. 16:08:29 I HEAR CALLS FROM LANDLORDS TO HAVE A BIG POOL OF MONEY FOR RENT ASSISTANCE. 16:08:33 THAT WORRIES ME. THEY SORT OF BECOME RELIANCE ON IT. 16:08:37 I HESITATE 16:08:41 TO BRING UP REAGAN'S WELFARE 16:08:45 QUEEN, THEY REMIND ME OF WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT GETTING A HUGE 16:08:48 POOL OF RENT ASSISTANCE IN PLACE. >> LAURA: 16:08:52 I'LL JUST SAY THAT THERE ARE ALSO TENANTS WHO NEED RENT ASSISTANCE FOR I HAVE. 16:08:57 THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING 16:09:00 SSIS, $481 A MONTH, THEY WILL NEVER BE 16:09:03 IN HOUSING WITHOUT ONGOING LONG TERM RENT ASSISTANCE. 16:09:12 HAVING A POOL OF MONEY THAT IS 16:09:16 FLEXIBLE IN ITS USE TO MEET THE NEED OF 16:09:19 EVERY TENANT 16:09:27 A LOT OF THE SENIORS WE WORK WITH DON'T WORK. 16:09:30 THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO WORK. TENANTS WHO 16:09:33 CAN WORK AND EVENTUALLY WORK 16:09:38 , SHORT TERM -- I MEAN SOME 16:09:41 TENANTS NEED TWO MONTHS, SOME TENANTS NEED ONGOING. 16:09:46 OUR REQUEST TO THE CITY WOULD BE TO 16:09:50 FUND -- TO FUND THAT POT OF 16:09:53 MONEY FOR DIRECT SERVICE AGENCIES TO PROVIDE THE RENT 16:09:57 ASSISTANCE ENGAGEMENT. 16:10:01 FOR THEM TO BE MAKING THE DECISION. I'M NOT 16:10:04 NECESSARILY SAYING IT SHOULD BE A LANDLORD FUND, BUT 16:10:08 THAT'S CERTAINLY AN IDEA. 16:10:15 A ROPE DAYS TO THE CITY FOR THEM TO 16:10:18 PROVIDE X-MILLION DOLLARS 16:10:22 IN RAPID REHOUSING, WHICH IS 24 MONTHS 16:10:25 WORTH, UP TO 24 MONTHS WORTH OF RENT 16:10:28 ASSISTANCE, WOULD GO OVER BETTER THAN ASKING 16:10:32 THE CITY TO COMMIT TO 16:10:35 ONGOING LONG-TERM RENT ASSISTANCE. 16:10:46 REGINA? >> REGINA: 16:10:49 THIS GOES ALONG WITH WHAT A NUMBER OF FOLKS BROUGHT UP ALREADY. 16:10:57 AMBER YOU MADE AN EXCELLENT POINT WHEN YOU ASKED WHY DON'T HOUSING 16:11:01 PROVIDERS AND LANDLORDS JUST CHARGE RENTS THAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD. 16:11:05 THAT IS A QUESTION THAT I ASK ALL OF THE TIME 16:11:08 EVEN WORKING IN LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE WE HAVE 16:11:12 RENTS THAT ARE RESTRICTED. THEY'RE 16:11:15 STILL WAY TOO HIGH FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. UNLESS 16:11:18 SOMEBODY HAS DIRECT SUBSIDY LIKE SECTION 8, THE 16:11:21 RENT THEY'RE PAYING IS NOT BASED ON THEIR INCOME. IT IS 16:11:25 BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF THE INCOME LIMIT ATTACHED TO THOSE UNITS. 16:11:33 SO EVEN IN WHAT'S CONSIDERED DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING 16:11:36 A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE RENT BURDENED, 16:11:39 ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE ON A FIXED INCOME OR LOSE THEIR INCOME 16:11:42 OR THEIR HOURS DROP OR ANY NUMBER OF THINGS. 16:11:47 AND THERE'S SO MANY, THE CITY IS GOING TO BE 16:11:51 LIMITED WITH WHAT THEY CAN CONTROL 16:11:55 FOR, SO MANY HOUSING DEVELOPERS AND LANDLORDS, THEY'RE OUT 16:11:58 OF STATE AND THERE'S UNDERWRITERS AND INVESTORS AND 16:12:02 ALL OF THESE STAKE AND STOCKHOLDERS GOING TO BE 16:12:05 LOOKING AT THE REST THAT PORTLAND PROPERTY IS CHARGING, WHETHER IT'S 16:12:09 A PRIVATE FOR-PROFIT COMPANY 16:12:12 OR NONPROFIT AFFORDABLE ORGANIZATION LOOKING AT, REEL, YOU'RE 16:12:15 SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE $800 A 16:12:18 MONTH IN RENT BUT BASED ON OUR NUMBERS LOOKS LIKE YOU 16:12:22 COULD CHARGE $1200, WHY ARE YOU CHARGING $400 LESS. 16:12:26 WE WANT TO SEE AT LEAST PROPERTIES PENCIL OUT, CASHFLOW. 16:12:30 THERE'S SO MANY ENTITIES 16:12:34 LIKE INVOLVED IN EVERY 16:12:37 PROPERTY OUT HERE THAT 16:12:41 THE CITY I THINK IS GOING TO BE 16:12:44 LIMITED WITH WHAT THEY CAN CONTROL FOR, AS FAR AS ANY KIND OF CAP. 16:12:48 THEN WE ALWAYS DEFAULT TO RENT ASSISTANCE. 16:12:52 WE KNOW, I DON'T EVEN HAVE, I 16:12:55 DON'T KNOW, I HAVE DREAMS FOR WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 16:12:58 I'M ONBOARD WITH ANY SUBCOMMITTEE WHERE WE CONTINUE 16:13:01 TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND TACKLE IT. 16:13:05 PORTLAND IS SMALL COMPARED TO ALL OF THE 16:13:08 EXTERNAL FORCES AND PARTNERS THAT ARE JUST A 16:13:11 PART OF ALL OF THESE RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ANY NUMBER 16:13:15 OF MOTIVATIONS TO CHARGE THE RENTS THAT THEY DO. 16:13:21 WE ALWAYS DEFAULT TO RENT ASSISTANCE. WHICH 16:13:24 IS HELPING PEOPLE STAY HOUSED 16:13:28 EVEN WHEN THEIR RENT BURDENS, WHEN 16:13:31 SO MANY PEOPLE ARE POTENTIALLY RENT BURDENS. 16:13:44 >> LAURA: AMBER, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES 16:13:47 UNTIL WE GO TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY. >> AMBER: 16:13:50 THANK YOU, VIVIEN, THAT WAS GOOD THINKING TO HEAR. 16:13:54 I WANT TO SAY BRIEFLY, ONE OF THE 16:13:58 THINGS, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROPERTIES -- 16:14:01 I DON'T HAVE ANY PERCENTAGE, BUT I KNOW FROM PERSONAL 16:14:04 EXPERIENCE -- WE HAVE A LOT OF PROPERTIES WHERE THE PROPERTY 16:14:07 ISN'T BEING UPKEPT TO THE DEGREE THAT 16:14:11 IS REQUIRED TO EVEN CHARGE RENT. FOR 16:14:14 EXAMPLE, AND I HAVE SAID THIS MANY TIMES, I LIVE IN A 16:14:17 PROPERTY WHERE THREE EXTERIOR DOORS WERE LEFT 16:14:20 BROKEN FOR 2 1/2 YEARS. IN ORS 16:14:23 ESSENTIALS, 9100, LANDLORDS CAN'T EVEN CHARGE 16:14:27 RENT IF YOU DON'T HAVE SECURE WINDOWS AND DOORS OR HEATERS OR WORKING. 16:14:31 THAT KIND OF THING. TO ME A CERTAIN 16:14:34 AMOUNT OF ENFORCEMENT 16:14:38 COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COULD DO. 16:14:46 ASBESTOS, OR WINDOWS OR DOORS ARE BROKEN AND THE CITY WON'T DO ANYTHING. 16:14:49 THE CITY INSPECTORS, BUILDING INSPECTORS, CODE INSPECTORS. 16:14:54 THERE'S A COMBINATION OF WHO CAN CHARGE RENTS. 16:14:58 THERE'S ALSO REDUCED SERVICES. I THINK 16:15:01 THAT THE TWO OF THOSE SHOULD BE BROUGHT. NOW WE LIVE IN 16:15:04 A PLACE WHERE REALLY HIGH RENTS ARE CHARGED AND WEE NO RECOURSE. 16:15:09 IF THE PROPERTY ISN'T IN GOOD CONDITION. IF THOSE CONDITION REQUIREMENTS 16:15:13 WERE ENFORCED, THEN EITHER PEOPLE WOULD BE PAYING 16:15:16 LESS RENT BECAUSE OF REDUCED SERVICES OR ESSENTIALS. 16:15:20 OR WE WOULD AT LEAST BE LIVING IN DECENT PROPERTIES FOR ALL OF THE MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING. 16:15:26 THAT IS SOMETHING THE CITY COULD DO. >> LAURA: 16:15:29 THANK YOU, AMBER, GREAT REPRESENTATION, GREAT TOPIC. 16:15:34 JUSTIN, I'M GOING TO TOSS IT TO YOU FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY. 16:15:38 >> JUSTIN: THANK YOU, LAURA, AND EVERYBODY. 16:15:42 AT THIS POINT WE'LL PAUSE FOR 30 MINUTES FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. 16:15:47 WE HAVE NINE INDIVIDUALS INDICATING THAT THEY 16:15:50 MAY WANT TO PROVIDE PUBLIC TESTIMONY. IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER 16:15:54 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE 16:15:57 IN PUBLIC TESTIMONY PUT YOUR NAME IN THE CHAT AND I'LL CIRCLE BACK TO YOU. 16:16:01 ONCE EVERYONE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK I'LL READ THE 16:16:05 WRITTEN TESTIMONY THAT WAS PRESENTED AS PART OF THE LISTENING SESSIONS. 16:16:08 THIS WILL TAKE THE FULL 30 MINUTES. 16:16:13 EACH PERSON HAS THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. IF YOU GO OVER I WILL HAVE TO STOP YOU. 16:16:26 LET'S SEE WHO IS HERE. LISA PIPER. 16:16:54 PEDROS? 16:17:03 ASAN? 16:17:32 SHARA? 16:17:47 DEAN SALAZAR. 16:17:59 WATTS? 16:18:12 WEIBEL LOGAN. 16:18:25 SHAWN IRELAND. 16:18:35 >> I'M SHAWN IRELAND, I'M ATENANT. I 16:18:38 WANTED TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE WITH 16:18:42 REGINA'S COMMENT ABOUT STANDARD CITY CODE AND RENTING STANDARDS. 16:18:46 I HAD A PROBLEM AND THE CITY CAME IN AND 16:18:49 MITIGATED BUT THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME ANYTHING FINITE. 16:19:02 THEY DIDN'T REPORT BACK AND WHAT THE PLAN OF ACTION WAS. 16:19:07 THEY LEFT ME IN THE DARK. 16:19:13 THAT CAN WRAP AROUND ALL SIDES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SHAWN. 16:19:24 IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT 16:19:28 PUT YOUR NAME IN THE CHAT. 16:20:00 ANNETTE GURDIJAN. I WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF ONE MORE 16:20:04 BELOW MARKET RENTAL UNIT THAT PORTLAND JUST LOST BECAUSE OF ITS EGREGIOUS ANTI-LANDLORD EXTRANEOUS RULES. 16:20:06 I OWNED THIS UNIT FOR 28 YEARS, BUT JUST PUT IT UP FOR SALE DUE TO THE 16:20:10 CUMBERSOME LAWS THAT PORTLAND HAS PUT IN PLACE. MY PHILOSOPHY AS A LANDLORD HAS ALWAYS 16:20:13 BEEN TO IMAGINE MYSELF AS THE TENANT OR PERSON LIVING IN MY UNIT AND HOLD MYSELF TO THOSE STANDARDS. 16:20:16 AS IN ANY SECTOR I AM SURE THERE ARE A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GREEDY BAD LANDLORDS, JUST AS THERE 16:20:21 ARE A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF TENANTS WHO ARE DESTRUCTIVE BAD TENANTS. THE LAWS AND RULES THAT PORTLAND 16:20:25 HAS PUT IN PLACE FOR LANDLORDS ARE CUMBERSOME, ONE-SIDED, AND DO MORE TO LESSEN THE NUMBER OF RENTAL UNITS IN 16:20:29 THE CITY THAN TO HELP TENANTS. 16:20:32 PORTLAND COULD HAVE DONE BETTER BY PUTTING LAWS IN PLACE THAT REQUIRE 16:20:37 DEVELOPERS TO SET ASIDE 20% OF NEW MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING AT AFFORDABLE RENTS RATHER THAN 16:20:43 PUNISHING LANDLORDS OF A SINGLE UNIT LIKE MYSELF. 16:20:57 AARON KIRK DOUGLAS. HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE PORTLAND 16:21:00 RENTAL SERVICES COMMISSION, MY NAME IS AARON KIRK DOUGLAS. I SPEAK TODAY AS AN INVESTOR AND 16:21:05 A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKER WHO REGULARLY WORKS WITH 16:21:09 DEVELOPERS AND OWNERS DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT PORTLAND'S RENTAL HOUSING MARKET. 16:21:12 WE ARE HERE, NOT AS ADVERSARIES, BUT AS ALLIES IN THE SHARED 16:21:15 ENDEAVOR OF PROVIDING AFFORDABLE, QUALITY HOUSING TO 16:21:19 THE CITIZENS OF OUR CITY. 16:21:22 UNFORTUNATELY, THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH WE OPERATE HAVE 16:21:26 BECOME INCREASINGLY CHALLENGING, PUSHING MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY TO 16:21:29 MOVE INVESTMENT DOLLARS OUTSIDE OF PORTLAND AND THE ENTIRETY OF 16:21:34 MULTNOMAH COUNTY, FURTHER EXACERBATING THE FUTURE 16:21:38 POTENTIAL FOR RENTAL HOUSING. 16:21:41 CONSIDER THE STORY OF MICHAEL GREGORY FROM A RECENT WILLAMETTE WEEK ARTICLE. 16:21:47 MR. GREGORY IS A DEVELOPER WHO, DESPITE HIS COMMITMENT TO 16:21:51 BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HAS SWORN OFF FUTURE PORTLAND 16:21:54 PROJECTS DUE TO THE BUREAUCRATIC OBSTACLES HE FACED WHILE 16:21:59 DEVELOPING A 12-UNIT COMPLEX IN THE FOSTER-POWELL NEIGHBORHOOD. 16:22:02 ALTHOUGH OUR CITY DESPERATELY NEEDS WHAT HE OFFERS, DEVELOPERS 16:22:06 LIKE GREGORY FACE AN ARDUOUS AND SOMETIMES IMPOSSIBLE TASK NAVIGATING THE CITY'S APPROVAL 16:22:11 PROCESS, OFTEN MIRED IN A 16:22:15 BUREAUCRACY INVOLVING UP TO SEVEN CITY AGENCIES. EVEN WILLAMETTE WEEK REFERRED TO THE 16:22:19 SITUATION AS A “SOVIET-STYLE BUREAUCRACY. 16:22:26 IN THE SAME VEIN, MANY RENTAL HOUSING PROVIDERS ARE 16:22:29 EXPERIENCING INCREASING CHALLENGES MANAGING PROPERTIES, 16:22:32 PRIMARILY DUE TO GROWING COSTS, REGULATORY BURDENS, AND INCREASED TAXES. 16:22:37 THE OUTCOME IS A WORRYING TREND: INVESTMENT DOLLARS THAT COULD HAVE 16:22:41 BEEN DIRECTED INTO MAINTAINING AND UPGRADING PORTLAND'S AGING RENTAL 16:22:44 PROPERTIES ARE NOW FLOWING TO WASHINGTON, FLORIDA, ARIZONA, AND IDAHO. 16:22:53 DATA FROM A LOCAL 1031 EXCHANGE COMPANY REVEALS A TROUBLING 16:22:58 STATISTIC: OUT OF $220 MILLION IN PORTLAND-BASED SALES THEY SAW 16:23:04 LAST YEAR, ONLY $55 MILLION WERE REINVESTED IN THE CITY. 16:23:07 THIS PAINTS A CONCERNING PICTURE OF A CITY LOSING VITAL RESOURCES 16:23:12 NEEDED TO REJUVENATE THE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK, MUCH OF 16:23:15 WHICH WAS BUILT BEFORE 1980. 16:23:19 DEVELOPERS AND RENTAL HOUSING PROVIDERS ARE CRITICAL IN 16:23:23 MEETING THE CITY'S DIRE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING. AN OREGON HOUSING AND COMMUNITY 16:23:27 SERVICES ANALYSIS IDENTIFIES A 16:23:32 NEED FOR 554,000 NEW UNITS STATEWIDE OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. 16:23:37 HOWEVER, THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, CHARACTERIZED BY OVER-REGULATION AND A 16:23:43 LACK OF INCENTIVES, IS STIFLING THE ACTORS POISED TO HELP MEET THIS DEMAND. 16:23:47 WHILE EFFORTS LIKE CITY 16:23:50 COMMISSIONER CARMEN RUBIO'S PROPOSED FREEZE ON SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGES ARE 16:23:53 COMMENDABLE, THEY ARE INSUFFICIENT IN ISOLATION. 16:23:58 WE NEED A BROADER, MORE COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY THAT 16:24:01 GENUINELY ADDRESSES THE ROOT CAUSES OF OUR ISSUES. 16:24:04 IT'S CLEAR FROM DEVELOPERS' EXPERIENCES LIKE GREGORY AND 16:24:07 COUNTLESS OTHERS THAT THE PERMITTING PROCESS NEEDS AN OVERHAUL. 16:24:11 EFFORTS TO STREAMLINE THIS PROCESS, REDUCE FEES, AND ENSURE 16:24:15 THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT WITHIN THE CITY 16:24:18 BUREAUCRACY WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN EASING THESE PAIN POINTS. 16:24:22 THE CITY OF PORTLAND MUST ALSO CRITICALLY REASSESS ITS DESIRE 16:24:25 TO IMPLEMENT REGULATORY MEASURES DISCOURAGING INVESTMENT IN THE RENTAL HOUSING SECTOR. 16:24:30 INSTEAD, WE MUST BALANCE PROTECTING TENANTS' RIGHTS AND 16:24:33 FOSTERING A CONDUCIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR DEVELOPERS AND 16:24:36 RENTAL HOUSING PROVIDERS. THE BEAUTIFUL CITY OF PORTLAND 16:24:41 IS UNDOUBTEDLY WORTH INVESTING IN. BUT IT IS CRUCIAL TO REMEMBER 16:24:44 THAT INVESTMENTS ARE NOT JUST FINANCIAL. 16:24:47 THEY ALSO INVOLVE TIME, EFFORT, AND A BELIEF IN PORTLAND'S FUTURE. 16:24:54 FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE OF US WHO INVESTED IN THE RENTAL HOUSING 16:24:57 INDUSTRY ARE ASKING FOR A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY TO CREATE A BETTER, MORE 16:25:00 SUSTAINABLE, AND MORE INCLUSIVE HOUSING MARKET. 16:25:03 WE WANT TO INVEST IN PORTLAND. WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. 16:25:08 BUT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, WE NEED THE CITY TO WORK WITH US, NOT AGAINST US. 16:25:11 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. 16:25:13 I LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COLLABORATION TO MAKE PORTLAND A CITY 16:25:19 WHERE AFFORDABLE, QUALITY HOUSING IS A REALITY FOR ALL ITS RESIDENTS. 16:25:31 LISA LONG 16:25:34 DEAR CHAIR BRYANT AND RSC MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO MEMBERS OF 16:25:37 PORTLAND'S RENTAL HOUSING COMMUNITY. 16:25:40 AS A HOUSING PROVIDER, I HAVE DIRECT EXPERIENCE WITH THE CITY 16:25:44 OF PORTLAND'S RENTAL REGULATIONS AND THEIR IMPACTS ON MY ABILITY 16:25:47 TO PROVIDE HOUSING IN THE CITY. PLEASE REVISIT THE FAIR ORDINANCES. 16:25:52 THESE HAVE HAD A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON HOUSING SUPPLY IN PORTLAND. 16:25:56 ACCORDING TO ECO-NORTHWEST, WE HAVE SEEN A 14% DECREASE IN 16:25:59 SINGLE-FAMILY RENTALS SINCE THOSE POLICIES PASSED. 16:26:04 WE NEED THE RSC TO ADVOCATE FOR MORE EFFICIENT PERMITTING TIMELINES. 16:26:07 A RECENT STUDY FOUND THAT PORTLAND'S AVERAGE PERMITTING TIME FOR A 16:26:11 MULTIFAMILY PROJECT IS AROUND 400 DAYS. 16:26:14 THIS SEVERELY IMPACTS THE RENTAL MARKET AND DISADVANTAGES OREGONIANS. 16:26:20 THE RSC SHOULD WORK TO HOLD LOCAL LEADERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR 16:26:23 DELIVERING ON RENT ASSISTANCE. AS LEADERS IN THE RENTAL HOUSING 16:26:27 INDUSTRY, WE NEED THE RSC TO BE A PROMINENT VOICE ENSURING THAT 16:26:33 BUDGETED DOLLARS ARE SPENT, AND HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION STRATEGIES ARE IMPLEMENTED. 16:26:39 ENDING HOMELESSNESS MUST BE AN ALL-HANDS-ON-DECK EFFORT. 16:26:42 WE SHOULD RE-EVALUATE THE INCLUSIONARY ZONING POLICIES IN PORTLAND. 16:26:47 WHILE THIS IS NOT A RENTAL REGULATION, IT IS RESTRICTING 16:26:50 THE NUMBER OF RENTABLE AND AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT ARE BUILT 16:26:53 IN THE CITY AND IS UNEQUIVOCALLY A DETRIMENT TO PORTLANDERS LOOKING TO RENT. 16:26:58 PLEASE DO NOT PRE-EMPT THE STATE'S ANTI-HARASSMENT POLICIES. 16:27:01 HOUSING PROVIDERS AND RENTERS ARE ALREADY HELD TO A STRICT 16:27:04 STATEWIDE STANDARD OF CONDUCT THAT A VAST MAJORITY OF 16:27:08 STAKEHOLDERS ARE COMPLIANT WITH. 16:27:11 WE SHOULD NOT PRE-EMPT STATE LAW BASED ON UNFOUNDED COMPLAINTS ON EITHER SIDE 16:27:14 OF LANDLORD-TENANT DISPUTES. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR 16:27:17 CONSIDERATION. 16:27:26 TAMARA WESTBROOK 16:27:32 I'VE BEEN A LANDLORD IN THE PORTLAND AREA FOR OVER 30 YEARS. 16:27:35 OUR POLICY IN GENERAL WAS TO PROVIDE A HOME AT A REASONABLE, 16:27:39 USUALLY LOW PRICE IN THE MARKET. 16:27:45 BY FINDING A GOOD FIT WE FELT OUR PROPERTY WOULD BE WELL CARED FOR. 16:27:50 THIS VIEW PROVED WELL. MY CONCERN NOW IS THE LACK OF LANDLORD RIGHTS AND THE FEAR 16:27:53 PRESENTED FOR MAKING MISTAKES IN FOLLOWING THE NEW AND EVER CHANGING LAWS. 16:27:58 AS A RESULT MANY PEOPLE LIKE MY SELF HAVE TURNED THEIR RENTAL 16:28:02 HOMES OVER TO RENTAL BUSINESSES. AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED? 16:28:06 THE RENTS IN THE MARKET HAVE GONE CRAZY. 16:28:10 FOR EXAMPLE, I RENT A SMALL 2 BEDROOM, 1 BATH FOR $1,530 IN SE PORTLAND. 16:28:17 MY FRIENDS DAUGHTER IS GOING TO RENT HER SMALL , SAME SIZE HOME 16:28:21 IN NORTH PORTLAND FOR $2800 THRU A RENTAL AGENCY. 16:28:26 FURTHER WITH ALL THE THREATS OF FEES AND LEGAL COSTS, LANDLORDS 16:28:30 RAISE THEIR RENTS TO COMPENSATE FOR THESE UNFORTUNATE AND POSSIBLE EVENTS. 16:28:34 IT'S SAD THAT PEOPLE CAN NOT AFFORD TO LIVE IN PORTLAND. 16:28:48 DAVID WEISLOGEL 16:28:53 DEAR CHAIR BRYANT AND RSC MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR TAKING 16:28:57 THE TIME TO LISTEN TO MEMBERS OF PORTLAND'S RENTAL HOUSING COMMUNITY. 16:29:01 AS A HOUSING PROVIDER FOR OVER 40 YEARS, I HAVE DIRECT 16:29:05 EXPERIENCE WITH THE CITY OF PORTLAND'S RENTAL REGULATIONS 16:29:09 AND THEIR IMPACTS ON MY ABILITY TO PROVIDE HOUSING IN THE CITY. 16:29:13 I AM ALL FOR TENANT PROTECTIONS AND KEEPING TENANTS CONTENT, BUT 16:29:17 MOST OF WHAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE IS HAVING THE REVERSE EFFECT. 16:29:20 PLEASE REVISIT THE FAIR ORDINANCES. THESE HAVE HAD A DETRIMENTAL 16:29:24 IMPACT ON HOUSING SUPPLY IN PORTLAND. 16:29:29 ACCORDING TO ECONORTHWEST, WE HAVE SEEN A 14% DECREASE IN 16:29:32 SINGLE-FAMILY RENTALS SINCE THOSE POLICIES PASSED. 16:29:36 I HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS SELL 16:29:41 WHEN VACANT BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITIES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT 16:29:44 IN PLACE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS BY STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. 16:29:48 THIS REDUCES AFFORDABLE INVENTORY AND PUTS UPWARD 16:29:52 PRESSURE ON RENTS FOR HOMES STILL AVAILABLE FOR RENT. 16:29:59 OWNERS WHO NO LONGER FEEL COMFORTABLE MANAGING THEIR OWN 16:30:02 PROPERTIES TURN TO PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT, WHICH ADDS COSTS, AS WELL. 16:30:08 THE RSC SHOULD WORK TO HOLD LOCAL LEADERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR DELIVERING ON 16:30:13 RENT ASSISTANCE FOR THOSE NEEDY IN A TIMELY AND RELIABLE WAY. 16:30:17 AS LEADERS IN THE RENTAL HOUSING INDUSTRY, WE NEED THE RSC TO BE 16:30:21 A PROMINENT VOICE ENSURING THAT BUDGETED DOLLARS ARE SPENT, AND 16:30:24 HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION STRATEGIES ARE IMPLEMENTED. 16:30:28 ENDING HOMELESSNESS MUST BE AN ALL-HANDS-ON-DECK EFFORT. 16:30:32 WE SHOULD RE-EVALUATE THE INCLUSIONARY ZONING POLICIES IN PORTLAND. 16:30:35 WHILE THIS IS NOT A RENTAL REGULATION, IT IS RESTRICTING 16:30:38 THE NUMBER OF RENTABLE AND AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT ARE BUILT IN THE CITY AND IS UNEQUIVOCALLY 16:30:43 A DETRIMENT TO PORTLANDERS LOOKING TO RENT. 16:30:47 PLEASE DO NOT PRE-EMPT THE STATE'S ANTI-HARASSMENT POLICIES. 16:30:50 HOUSING PROVIDERS AND RENTERS ARE ALREADY HELD TO A STRICT 16:30:55 STATEWIDE STANDARD OF CONDUCT THAT A VAST MAJORITY OF STAKEHOLDERS ARE COMPLIANT WITH. 16:30:58 WE SHOULD NOT PRE-EMPT STATE LAW BASED ON UNFOUNDED COMPLAINTS ON EITHER SIDE 16:31:02 OF LANDLORD-TENANT DISPUTES. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 16:31:14 SANDRA STEVENS. 16:31:20 IN JANUARY OF 2015, A RELATIVE I WAS STAYING WITH IN VANCOUVER, 16:31:26 WASHINGTON EVICTED ME FROM HIS HOME KNOWING I HAD NO TRANSPORTATION, NO MONEY, AND 16:31:29 NOWHERE TO GO. 16:31:32 HE GAVE ME 24 HOURS TO PACK UP MY THINGS AND LEAVE, WITHOUT EVEN 16:31:36 OFFERING ME A RIDE SOMEWHERE. 16:31:40 I HAD NO OTHER RELATIVES OR FRIENDS THAT WOULD TAKE ME IN. 16:31:43 FORTUNATELY, WHEN MY NEPHEW TOSSED ME TO THE CURB LIKE A BAG OF GARBAGE, I 16:31:47 WAS AT MY THERAPIST'S OFFICE. I TOLD MY THERAPIST I WAS 16:31:50 SUDDENLY HOMELESS AND DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT TO DO NEXT. 16:31:53 SHE MADE A FEW PHONE CALLS AND GAVE ME A BUS TICKET TO PORTLAND. 16:31:58 THE ONLY THING I KNEW ABOUT PORTLAND WAS POWELL'S BOOKSTORE, 16:32:02 AS WHEN I LIVED IN SEATTLE, I MADE BIANNUAL PILGRIMAGES THERE. 16:32:06 WITHIN AN HOUR, I WAS WALKING THROUGH THE PORTAL OF SAFES (SALVATION ARMY 16:32:11 FEMALE EMERGENCY SHELTER) WHERE I WOULD SPEND THE NEXT MONTH SLEEPING ON A CEMENT 16:32:14 FLOOR WAITING FOR A BED IN THE DORMITORY. 16:32:17 ACROSS THE STREET FROM SAFES IS THE PORTLAND RESCUE MISSION 16:32:21 WHERE I WOULD STAY FOR 3 MONTHS BEFORE GETTING A BED AT JEAN'S PLACE ON NE 11TH AVENUE. 16:32:28 JEAN'S PLACE IS RUN BY TPI (TRANSITION PROJECTS) AND IT WAS THERE THAT I WAS 16:32:32 GIVEN THE KEYS TO MY FIRST APARTMENT IN PORTLAND. 16:32:35 FROM THERE I SAT ON A WAITLIST FOR OVER A YEAR TO GET AN APARTMENT IN THE 16:32:38 BUILDING WHERE I LIVE NOW. 16:32:41 OCTOBER 9, 2023 WILL MARK MY 8TH YEAR ANNIVERSARY AT MY APARTMENT 16:32:45 IN SOUTHEAST PORTLAND, AND I INTEND TO CELEBRATE. 16:32:49 NOT A DAY GOES BY WITHOUT EXPRESSING GRATITUDE FOR A SAFE 16:32:52 AND COMFORTABLE PLACE TO LIVE. 16:32:55 A PLACE I DON'T HAVE TO SHARE WITH ONE HUNDRED OTHER WOMEN. 16:32:57 NOT HAVING TO SHARE A BATHROOM OR KITCHEN WITH ANYONE IS MY IDEA OF 16:33:04 HEAVEN. LOOKING BACK AT MY EXPERIENCE WITH HOMELESSNESS, I AM IN AWE 16:33:08 OF HOW LUCKY I WAS AND HOW PERSISTENTLY THERAPISTS, 16:33:11 DOCTORS, PEER SUPPORT SPECIALISTS AND SOCIAL WORKERS ADVOCATED FOR ME. 16:33:16 THE PORTLAND RESCUE MISSION ON WEST BURNSIDE WAS FOR MEN ONLY 16:33:19 UNTIL THE YEAR I BECAME HOMELESS. 16:33:22 THAT YEAR THEY OPENED A WOMEN'S DORM WITH 16 BEDS. 16:33:26 SAFES CLOSED IN 2019, SO IF I HAD BECOME HOMELESS THAT YEAR, I 16:33:30 WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE STREETS, WAITING ON A LONG LIST TO GET 16:33:33 INTO A SHELTER. 16:33:36 I READ RECENTLY THAT SENIOR CITIZENS ARE THE FASTEST GROWING HOMELESS 16:33:39 POPULATION AND THAT PROFOUNDLY DISTURBS ME. 16:33:43 BEING A HOMELESS WOMAN AT 49 WAS TERRIFYING. 16:33:45 I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW VULNERABLE I WOULD HAVE FELT HAD I BEEN TWENTY YEARS 16:33:51 OLDER. IF I HADN'T FOUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE RENT INCREASES ARE CAPPED AT 5%, 16:33:54 I WOULD BE HOMELESS STILL. 16:33:58 MY $914 SSI CHECK DOESN'T GO FAR, BUT IT'S ENOUGH TO KEEP 16:34:03 MYSELF HEALTHY AND SAFE, AND EVEN STRONG ENOUGH TO ADVOCATE FOR OTHERS. 16:34:07 PLEASE CONSIDER BUILDING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 16:34:11 THE LIVES OF TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE ON HOLD AND GETTING SHORTER EVERY DAY 16:34:14 BECAUSE NO ONE REACHES THEIR “GOLDEN YEARS” LIVING ON THE STREET. 16:34:21 THANK YOU FOR READING. 16:34:34 ALAN WALWORTH. PORTLAND'S WELL-INTENTIONED RENTAL REGULATIONS ARE OFTEN 16:34:38 COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE. THE COMPLEXITY OF DEALING WITH PORTLAND'S RULES, IN ADDITION TO 16:34:42 STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS, IS PROBLEMATIC FOR MOM AND POP 16:34:45 LANDLORDS LIKE MYSELF. DESPITE ATTENDING SEVERAL 16:34:49 CLASSES ANNUALLY TO LEARN ABOUT 16:34:51 THE RULES, I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO KEEP UP WITH THEM, AND THIS DIFFICULTY IS INCREASED BY THE FREQUENCY WITH WHICH 16:34:55 THE LAWS ARE CHANGED. 16:34:58 I TRIED TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM BY EMPLOYING A PROPERTY MANAGER, BUT THAT 16:35:03 ADDED ABOUT 10% TO THE COST OF PROVIDING A RENTAL; MOREOVER, IT DID NOT 16:35:06 RELIEVE ME OF ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY, SO I HAD THE RESIDUAL BURDEN OF MONITORING 16:35:09 THE MANAGER. 16:35:13 FOR THESE REASONS I'VE REVERTED TO MANAGING MY RENTALS MYSELF. 16:35:18 HERE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES OF PROBLEMS CAUSED BY PORTLAND'S 16:35:22 RENTAL REGULATIONS: THE BURDEN 16:35:25 OF COMPLYING WITH THE REGULATIONS DISCOURAGES PEOPLE FROM OFFERING PROPERTIES FOR RENT IN PORTLAND. 16:35:31 ECONORTHWEST'S 2022 RESEARCH 16:35:34 FOUND A 14% REDUCTION IN SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RENTAL UNITS IN 16:35:38 PORTLAND FROM 2017, WHEN LOCAL 16:35:42 REGULATION INCREASED, TO 2020 16:35:48 THE REDUCED SUPPLY MAKES IT HARDER TO FIND A SINGLE FAMILY 16:35:51 RENTAL, AND INCREASES THE COST. AS MOM AND POP LANDLORDS DEAL WITH THE FRUSTRATIONS OF RENTING 16:35:56 IN PORTLAND BY SELLING THEIR PROPERTIES, RENTAL UNITS ARE 16:36:01 INCREASINGLY OPERATED BY LARGER CORPORATIONS THAT TEND TO FOCUS 16:36:04 PRIMARILY ON MAXIMIZING PROFIT, WHEREAS MANY MOM AND POP LANDLORDS TAKE A MORE PERSONAL 16:36:09 INTEREST IN PROVIDING AN OPTIMAL TENANT EXPERIENCE. 16:36:14 THE FIRST COME FIRST SERVE RULE INCREASES THE RISK OF ENDING UP 16:36:22 WITH A PROBLEMATIC TENANT, AND THE DIFFICULTY AND COST OF EVICTING A PROBLEM TENANT, OR EVEN DECLINING TO 16:36:26 RENEW A FIXED TERM LEASE, MAGNIFIES THAT RISK. 16:36:29 CONSEQUENTLY, LANDLORDS WHO WOULD BE OPEN TO TAKING SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES 16:36:34 INTO ACCOUNT, AND RENTING TO SOMEONE LACKING A GOOD CREDIT SCORE OR RENTAL HISTORY, FEEL COMPELLED TO 16:36:37 REDUCE SUCH RISK BY REQUIRING A HIGH CREDIT SCORE AND SUBSTANTIAL RENTAL HISTORY. 16:36:55 THOUGH AN APPLICANT NOT SATISFYING SUCH CRITERIA CAN IN PRINCIPLE APPEAL 16:36:59 FOR SPECIAL CONSIDERATION, IT IS VERY UNLIKELY THEY WILL PAY THE APPLICATION FEE TO GET THE CHANCE TO DO SO. 16:37:03 BEING REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN AN INVENTORY OF ITEMS IN THE RENTAL 16:37:15 WITH PURCHASE PRICE AND DEPRECIATED VALUE IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY USING DEPOSIT MONEY TO COVER DAMAGE, WAS 16:37:17 EXASPERATING ADDITIONAL WORK, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF WHO PURCHASED A HOUSE AND DID NOT KNOW THE 16:37:21 PURCHASE DATE AND PRICE OF THE TOILETS, DOORS, WINDOWS, ETC. 16:37:22 KUDOS TO PORTLAND FOR ELIMINATING THE NEED TO TRACK DEPRECIATION OF ITEMS IN 16:37:36 THE RENTAL, BUT MAINTAINING THE LIST OF ITEMS IS STILL AN INCONVENIENT CHORE. PORTLAND'S RULES ENABLE DISRUPTIVE 16:37:39 TENANTS TO REMAIN AND CONTINUE CAUSING DISTRESS FOR NEIGHBORING TENANTS WHO MUST ENDURE THEIR BAD BEHAVIOR. 16:37:50 MUCH OF THE TROUBLE PORTLAND'S REGULATIONS CAUSE FOR MOM AND POP 16:37:52 LANDLORDS COULD BE AVOIDED BY EXEMPTING OWNERS OF 4 OR FEWER RENTALS, BUT IN GENERAL (WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS) 16:37:56 PORTLAND'S CURRENT RULES LACK SUCH AN EXEMPTION. I URGE YOU TO GIVE MORE 16:38:00 ATTENTION TO THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR REGULATIONS, AND CHANGE THEM SO 16:38:04 THEY DON'T HAVE SUCH NEGATIVE RESULTS. 16:38:13 ESTELLE GORDON. 16:38:22 DEAR CHAIR BRYANT AND RSC MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO 16:38:26 LISTEN TO MEMBERS OF PORTLAND'S RENTAL HOUSING COMMUNITY. 16:38:33 AS A HOUSING PROVIDER, I HAD DIRECT EXPERIENCE WITH THE CITY OF PORTLAND'S 16:38:36 RENTAL REGULATIONS AND THEIR IMPACTS ON MY ABILITY TO PROVIDE HOUSING IN THE CITY. 16:38:41 UNFORTUNATELY THE REGULATIONS BECAME SO BURDENSOME AND IN SOME CASES CONTRADICTORY AND PUNITIVE 16:38:45 THAT I DECIDED THE RISK WAS NO LONGER WORTH THE POTENTIAL REWARD AND I RECENTLY SOLD MY 16:38:50 DUPLEX TO A PRIVATE PARTY WILL WILL USE IT TO HOUSE THEIR 16:38:53 FAMILY. 16:38:58 I HAD A NON-PAYING TENANT AND, FOLLOWING EVERY REGULATION , IT TOOK 16:39:02 FOUR MONTHS TO EVICT HIM THROUGH THE COURTS. 16:39:05 I LOST $4K ON THIS TENANT AND HAVE NO HOPE TO RECOVER THAT MONEY. 16:39:11 QUITE FRANKLY THE ONERUS AND PUNITIVE REGULATIONS AROUND THE TENANT 16:39:15 APPLICATION AND MOVE-IN PROCESS DISCOURAGED ME FROM RENTING TO NEW TENANTS, SO I PUT 16:39:19 MY PROPERTY ON THE MARKET. 16:39:27 I AM GLAD TO BE OUT OF THE 16:39:28 LANDLORD BUSINESS. THE REGULATORY CLIMATE MAKES IT TOO HARD FOR A SINGLE LANDLORD TO OPERATE. 16:39:33 I WOULD DISCOURAGE ANY POTENTIAL INVESTOR FROM BUYING IN PORTLAND. 16:39:38 BETTER TO GO ELSEWHERE. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 16:39:45 JAMIE LATHAM. HELLO! I AM UNABLE TO ATTEND THE 16:39:48 CITY COUNCIL MEETING THIS EVENING BUT WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT MY TESTIMONY VIA WRITING. 16:39:53 LAST YEAR WHILE RENTING A ROOM IN A 3-BEDROOM HOUSE IN SE 16:39:55 PORTLAND FOR $1,200 A MONTH I 16:40:16 CONTRACTED A MOLD INFECTION. I PAID TO TEST THE HOUSE AND THE MOLD IN THE HOUSE MATCHES THE MOLD IN MY 16:40:18 BODY. I AM NOW DISABLED. I MOVED OUT AND WAS HOMELESS FOR 4 16:40:22 MONTHS. THE RENTAL MARKET IS SO COMPETITIVE I FOUND THAT I NEEDED TO BE THE FIRST 16:40:25 PERSON TO APPLY, FINDING LONG LISTS OF APPLICANTS ON HOUSES THAT HAD ONLY BEEN LISTED 2 HOURS PRIOR. 16:40:29 MY ROOMMATES STILL LIVE IN THE MOLDY HOUSE AND MY ROOM HAS BEEN RENTED OUT AGAIN FOR $1,200. 16:40:31 HOUSING IS ONLY NOW ACCESSIBLE TO ME BECAUSE MY FAMILY MEMBERS WERE ABLE TO 16:40:34 SIGN A RENTAL LEASE FOR ME. 16:40:36 I WOULD STILL BE HOMELESS WITHOUT WEALTHY FAMILY. 16:40:39 MANY APARTMENTS ARE ONLY AVAILABLE IF YOU CAN PROVE YOUR INCOME IS 2 OR 3 OR 3. 16:40:44 5 TIMES AS HIGH AS YOUR RENT. I WORK AS A PERSONAL SUPPORT WORKER FOR ADULTS WITH 16:40:47 DISABILITIES, THIS IS NOT HIGH PAYING ALTHOUGH EXTREMELY 16:40:52 IMPORTANT IN OUR COMMUNITY. 16:40:55 WHILE APPLYING FOR OR ACCEPTING DISABILITY PAYMENTS I AM NOT ALLOWED 16:40:59 TO EARN MORE THAN $1,350 A MONTH. THE HOUSING MARKET IS EXTREMELY INACCESSIBLE. 16:41:04 MANY MEMBERS OF MY COMMUNITY ARE EXPERIENCING HOUSING INSECURITY 16:41:07 WHILE SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE COLLECTING PASSIVE INCOME ON AIRBNB RENTALS. 16:41:11 WE NEED RENT CONTROL! WE NEED 16:41:21 DEEPLY ACCESSIBLE HOUSING. THANK YOU. 16:41:25 >> AND ONE MORE PIECE OF TESTIMONY, FROM JOHN GRIFFITHS. 16:41:35 THIS IS MY TESTIMONY, I WILL SUBMIT IT HERE TO ALLOW ENOUGH SPACE FOR THOSE 16:41:38 GOING IN PERSON. RENT IS DISPROPORTIONATELY HIGH COMPARED TO INCOME. 16:41:41 THERE ARE TOO MANY PROPERTY OWNERS WHO DO NOT PROPERLY MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTIES. 16:41:45 WHO WILL ONLY FIX THINGS IF LEGALLY REQUIRED, RESULTING IN 16:41:49 PEOPLE SACRIFICING THEIR SAFETY 16:41:52 AND ACCESSIBILITY NEEDS TO HAVE RENT THEY CAN AFFORD IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP A ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS. 16:41:59 THE LAWS THAT ARE PASSED DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH TEETH. 16:42:01 AN EXAMPLE IS THE LAW REQUIRING AIR CONDITIONING. 16:42:07 THE ELECTRIC AND WATER HEATING HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED IN MY 1940S APARTMENT IT DOES NOT HAVE 16:42:13 POWERFUL ENOUGH ELECTRIC TO SUPPORT AN AC UNIT POWERFUL 16:42:16 ENOUGH TO COOL MY HOME. 16:42:19 THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH PLACES THAT WILL NOT TAKE A SECTION 8 16:42:22 VOUCHER, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE MANDATED TO. 16:42:26 THESE PROPERTY OWNERS FIND WAYS TO WORK AROUND IT AND DENY RESIDENTS. 16:42:31 SWEEPS OF HOUSELESS PEOPLES' BARE ESSENTIALS ARE NOT HELPING. 16:42:34 THEY ARE TAKING UP TOO MUCH OF THE BUDGET THAT COULD BE SPENT COVERING 16:42:40 INDIVIDUAL'S RENT. EVERY HALF DECENT PLAN TO CREATE MORE HOUSING TO MEET THE NEED IS 16:42:43 DERAILED BY PROPERTY DEVELOPERS LOOKING TO LINE THEIR POCKETS 16:42:47 AND PROPERTY OWNER'S DESIRE TO SWEEP THE EVIDENCE OF THE HOUSING CRISIS OUT OF SIGHT. 16:42:55 >>EOUS TUN: THAT WAS THE WRIT U.N. 16:42:58 AND PUBLIC TESTIMONY FOR THE JULY 18 MEETING. 16:43:01 WE ARE NOT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE WRITTEN TESTIMONY 16:43:05 PROVIDED DURING THE LISTENING SESSION. I EXPECT 16:43:08 SOME MORE OF THIS NEXT TIME. BUT I WILL DUNN IT BACK OVER TO LAURA. 16:43:13 >> LAURA: THANK YOU JUSTIN FOR READING THROUGH 16:43:15 ALL OF THAT, GOOD TO HEAR 16:43:20 ALL OF THE GOOD THINGS. WE HAVE ABOUT 16:43:23 15 MINUTES LEFT. 16:43:28 I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHERE WE LEFT IT 16:43:32 ABOUT HALF AN HOUR AGO. 16:43:35 SOME IDEAS AROUND THE 16:43:38 RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE RENT CAP AND RENT ASSISTANCE. 16:43:43 BUT ALSO FOLD IN TO THAT 16:43:47 THE SUBCOMMITTEE TOPIC IDEA. 16:43:51 I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM ALL OF YOU 16:43:54 ABOUT WHAT YOUR IDEAS ARE FOR 16:43:57 NEXT STEPS, GOING FORWARD WITH A 16:44:02 SUBCOMMITTEE WITH A SPECIFIC IDEA OR SPECIFIC TOPIC, 16:44:05 SORRY, AND WHETHER THAT TOPIC 16:44:08 IS ON OUR WORK PLAN, IF IT'S THE RENT 16:44:11 CAP AND RENT ASSISTANCE, OR IF IT'S 16:44:16 OTHER TOPICS OR SOMETHING ELSE. 16:44:20 LET'S SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH AN 16:44:23 AGREEMENT ON A SUBCOMMITTEE TOPIC. 16:44:28 THEN WE CAN ASK JUSTIN TO GET 16:44:31 STARTED PREPARING FOR THAT. 16:44:35 ANY IDEAS, SUGGESTIONS? 16:44:43 WHAT ARE YOU ALL THINKING? 16:44:47 REGINA. >> REGINA: 16:44:51 WELL I REALLY WANT TO PUT FAIR 16:44:54 ORDINANCE REVIEW ON THE LIST. 16:44:58 I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW I PERSONALLY AND 16:45:02 PROFESSIONALLY AM INTERESTED IN CONTINUING TO LOOK AT. IT 16:45:06 WAS STARTED WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS. 16:45:10 I THINK IT ITS IMPORTANT. BUT WE 16:45:13 CONTINUE TO HEAR SO MUCH FEEDBACK 16:45:18 FROM LANDLORDS. 16:45:21 IT'S JUST -- I THINK REGARDLESS OF WHAT OUR 16:45:24 PERSONAL OPINIONS ARE, THE FACT IS THAT IT 16:45:27 REALLY IS A FRUSTRATING THING FOR LANDLORDS TO NAVIGATE. 16:45:30 IT IS IMPACTING THEIR ABILITY TO RENT UNITS. 16:45:36 I THINK IT IS WORTH CONTINUING TO LOOK AT. I REMEMBER WHEN 16:45:39 IT WAS FIRST PASSED WHEN IT WAS 16:45:42 -- WHEN CITY COUNCIL FIRST PASSED IT. 16:45:46 I REMEMBER THE KIND OF CONSENSUS WAS WE'RE 16:45:49 PASSING IT BUT WE WANT IT TO BE REVIEWED. THE EXPECTATION 16:45:52 IT WAS GOING TO BE REVIEWED ON AN ONGOING BASIS 16:45:55 AND CITY COUNCIL ESSENTIALLY COMPLETELY TURNED OVER. A PANDEMIC HAPPENED. 16:45:59 ALL OF THESE OTHER PRIORITIES. 16:46:06 EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GONE ON THE LAST THREE YEARS, BUT 16:46:09 IT CONTINUES TO BE A BIG HURDLE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. 16:46:16 THERE'S A LOT OF FRUSTRATION AROUND IT. IT'S WORTH 16:46:20 A SUBCOMMITTEE OR SOMETHING PUT ON THE LIST. 16:46:25 >> LAURA: THANK YOU, REGINA. OTHERS? 16:46:38 AN GENTLEMEN LET A. >> WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO 16:46:41 KEEP A SUBCOMMITTEE BROAD INSTEAD OF ONE POLICY PROPOSAL? 16:46:45 IT SEEMS LIKE A COMMON THEME THAT I HAVE HEARD 16:46:48 THROUGHOUT THIS MEETING, MOST OF US CAN AGREE RENT IS TOO HIGH. 16:46:52 AT THE SAME TIME WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO SUBSIDIZE THESE HIGH RENTS. 16:47:03 WE NEED SOMETHING MORE THAN RENT CAPS AND SUBSIDIZING LANDLORDS. 16:47:08 WE NEED TO HAVE 16:47:11 AN OPEN DISCUSSION WITH MORE TIME. >> LAURA: 16:47:14 THAT'S DEFINITELY POSSIBLE IF WE CAN CONVINCE THE HOUSING 16:47:18 BUREAU TO GIVE US THE CAPACITY 16:47:21 FOR TWO SUBCOMMITTEES. 16:47:25 OR IF THE GROUP TODAY WANTS TO 16:47:28 DECIDE ON THE ONE SUB COMMITTEE THAT 16:47:32 WE KNOW WE CAN 16:47:35 DO, WHETHER THAT IS A BROAD 16:47:38 TOPIC AROUND CONTROLLING RENTS 16:47:43 OR IF IT'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC. 16:47:46 >> JUSTIN: EVERYTHING TWO 16:47:49 SUBCOMMITTEES IS FINE, I HAVE STAFF FOR THAT, I WILL BE THE ONE STAFFING THAT. 16:47:54 >> LAURA: AWESOME, JUSTIN! 16:47:58 THANK YOU SO MUCH! >> JUSTIN: 16:48:02 AROUND ANGELISTA'S POINT THAT'S 16:48:06 FINE, BUT WE HAVE TO BE INTENTIONAL WITH THE SCOPE OF WORK. 16:48:09 THIS HAS TO VERY MUCH HAVE AN END DATE. AND 16:48:12 VERY CLEAR GOAL OF DISCUSSION. 16:48:16 LEAVING IT BROAD, I HAVE 16:48:20 -- IT'S POSSIBLE IF THERE'S DISCUSSION IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE ABOUT 16:48:23 LIKE I SUGGESTED EARLIER, WHAT TO FOCUS ON. 16:48:27 THAT WOULD BE OUR FIRST MEETING FOR THAT ONE. 16:48:33 BUT WE NEED AN 16:48:36 END DATE AND CLEAR PROGRESSION. OPEN IT UP THERE. 16:48:39 >> LAURA: THANK YOU, JUSTIN, GOOD REMINDER. 16:48:44 REGINA DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? OKAY. 16:48:47 ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? 16:48:52 I'LL JUST PAUSE THERE. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO WEIGH IN? 16:48:56 AMBER. >> AMBER: 16:49:02 AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, 16:49:05 I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO STRATEGIZE 16:49:08 SO THAT WE HAVE MADE AT LEAST ONE RECOMMENDATION BY 16:49:12 THE END OF THE YEAR. 16:49:19 THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE GREAT AND I'M 16:49:22 ALL FOR THAT. BUT 16:49:25 AGAIN AT THE SURFACE AND ON THE 16:49:28 TOP IS A PREFERENCE THAT WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO 16:49:32 MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, AT LEAST ONE BEFORE THIS ENTIRE YEAR IS UP. 16:49:37 >> LAURA: WHAT I'M HEARING AND 16:49:40 WHAT I SEE IS THAT THE 16:49:43 SUBCOMMITTEES ARE AN EXPEDIENT WAY TO DO 16:49:46 THAT, TO GET US THERE IS. THEY WON'T 16:49:49 REPLACE A REGULAR MEETING, WE'LL STILL HAVE A 16:49:52 MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. >> AMBER: WON'T THAT DEPEND -- I'M SORRY. 16:49:56 >> LAURA: I'M SORRY. 16:50:00 THAT WILL DEPEND HOW LONG IT TAKES TO SET THE COMMITTEES UP. 16:50:03 IF IT TAKES FOUR MONTHS TO SET IT UP, THAT 16:50:06 WON'T NECESSARILY AFFECT WHAT WE DO THIS YEAR. >> LAURA: 16:50:10 RIGHT. AND, AGAIN, 16:50:13 I'LL PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT AND SAY WE ARE 16:50:17 IN CONTROL OF HOW FAST THAT WE MOVE. 16:50:21 WE CAN DECIDE RIGHT NOW IN THE NEXT TEN 16:50:24 MINUTES ON A RECOMMENDATION FOR CITY COUNCIL 16:50:29 ABOUT THE RENT CAP AND THE RENT ASSISTANCE IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT. 16:50:34 I THINK EVERYBODY HAS TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH 16:50:37 THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY MAKE. 16:50:40 THAT WE COLLECTIVELY MAKE. WHAT 16:50:43 I KEEP HEARING IS THAT WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. 16:50:52 MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO 16:50:56 IS FOR OUR AGENDA FOR THE SEPTEMBER MEET 16:50:59 ING IS SET THAT 16:51:03 AGENDA TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION 16:51:06 SPECIFICALLY ABOUT -- I'M STILL 16:51:09 SAYING 14.6, BUT THE 10%, 16:51:12 THE RENT MAXIMUM, AND THE RENT ASSISTANCE. 16:51:17 SO LET'S PLAN TO COME TO THAT MEETING WITH 16:51:20 THE GOAL OF MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. 16:51:24 AND THEN -- DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU, AMBER, FOR EVERYBODY? 16:51:27 >> AMBER: YES. >> LAURA: 16:51:32 THEN LET'S LOT THE 16:51:35 SUBCOMMITTEES GET UNDER WAY AS WELL. 16:51:39 JUSTIN, I THINK, AMBER BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT 16:51:42 WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR TIMELINE WOULD BE OF GETTING THE SUBCOMMITTEES GOING? 16:51:46 WHEN WOULD THE FIRST SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING BE ABLE TO BE? 16:51:51 >> JUSTIN: GOOD QUESTION. 16:51:55 MY GOAL IS TO HAVE E-MAIL OUT THE 16:51:59 END OF THE WEEK, NEXT COUPLE OF BUSINESS DAYS. 16:52:03 FOLLOWING UP ON THIS CONVERSATION AND GAUGING INTEREST FOR EACH SUBCOMMITTEE. 16:52:08 WE WILL NEED THREE PEOPLE PER COMMITTEE. I WILL 16:52:12 PROBABLY GET THE TIMEFRAME UP NEXT FRIDAY WITH PEOPLE TO RESPOND. 16:52:16 MONDAY THE 31st I'LL SEND OUT E-MAILS TO ACTUALLY 16:52:21 SCHEDULE THAT MEETING, THOSE MEETINGS. EACH 16:52:24 OF THOSE MEETINGS WILL DECIDE THE MEETING 16:52:27 PACE AND GEE FROM THERE. 16:52:32 IDEALLY MEETING BEGINNING OR MIDDLE OF AUGUST FOR EACH OF THESE. 16:52:35 >> LAURA: AWESOME. 16:52:38 >> AMBER: GOODTION TO, THANK YOU. >> LAURA: 16:52:43 WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK ABOUT HAVING ONE 16:52:46 SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE FAIR ORDINANCE, AND ONE SUBCOMMITTEE SORT 16:52:50 OF ALONG THE LINES OF THE 16:52:56 BROADER DISCUSSION TO COME UP 16:52:59 WITH SPECIFIC TOPIC 16:53:02 TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT JUSTIN HAS LAID OUT 16:53:05 FOR US, BUT STARTED WITH A BROAD CONVERSATION. 16:53:09 HOW DO PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THAT? 16:53:13 >> AMBER: A BROAD CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT? 16:53:17 >> LAURA: A BROAD CONVERSATION 16:53:21 ABOUT RENT INCREASE S 16:53:24 AND SORT OF WHAT ANGELISTA 16:53:29 , I'M NOT GOING TO DO A GOOD JOB SUMMARIZING WHAT SHE SAID. 16:53:35 BUT I THINK WHAT I HEARD WAS 16:53:38 WE'RE NOT -- WE HAVEN'T QUITE 16:53:42 RESOLVED WHAT ISSUE WE WANT TO 16:53:46 ADDRESS WHEN IT COMES TO TRYING TO 16:53:49 FIGURE OUT THE BALANCE BETWEEN INCOMES NOT 16:53:53 BEING HIGH ENOUGH, RENTS CONTINUALLY GOING UP, RENT 16:53:57 ASSISTANCE CONTINUING TO FEED 16:54:01 THE RENTAL -- INCREASING RENTAL 16:54:04 MARKET. AND I THINK WHAT 16:54:07 JUSTIN WAS SUGGESTING IS THAT THE FIRST MEETING 16:54:11 OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE COULD BE SORT OF THAT 16:54:15 BROAD DISCUSSION TO DISTILL DOWN INTO 16:54:18 A SPECIFIC TOPIC WITH A TIMELINE AND DELIVERABLE. 16:54:24 SO THAT'S A LITTLE SQUISHY AND MAYBE 16:54:29 VIVIEN CAN FOLD IN HER IDEA TOO. 16:54:32 THEN THE FAIR 16:54:36 ORDINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE BE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT. 16:54:41 YES, THEIR IDEA, THANK YOU, THANK 16:54:44 YOU, APOLOGIES VIVIEN, THANK YOU. 16:54:49 WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THAT? 16:54:53 SO WE HAVE A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM 16:54:57 FOR SEPTEMBER TO CREATE A RECOMMENDATION 16:55:00 BASED ON OUR MANY CONVERSATION S 16:55:04 CONVERSATIONS ABOUT RENT CAP AND RENT ASSISTANCE. 16:55:09 A FAIR ORDINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE. AND A 16:55:13 SORT OF BROAD TOPIC SUBCOMMITTEE 16:55:17 THAT WILL USE ITS FIRST MEETING 16:55:20 TO REFINE THE SPECIFIC COURSE OF ACTION. 16:55:26 >> AMBER: ARE WE LOOKING TO DO A VOTE ON THAT? 16:55:30 >> LAURA: RIGHT NOW I WANT TO PROVIDE 16:55:33 AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO SPEAK 16:55:36 UP AND SAY IF THEY HAVE COMMENTS. WE ONLY HAVE FIVE MINUTES LEFT. 16:55:42 IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS MAYBE WE CAN GO 16:55:45 AHEAD AND DO A VOTE, IN THE INTEREST OF 16:55:48 MOVING FORWARD 16:55:52 AND QUICKENING THE PACE A LITTLE BIT. SO 16:55:55 I JUST WANTED TO GIVE SPACE FOR 16:55:58 ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO SPEAK UP OR SHARE ANY OTHER IDEAS. 16:56:05 >> JUSTIN: 16:56:08 TO CLARIFY, THE NEXT ON AGENDA 16:56:11 TOPIC FOR SEPTEMBER, WE WILL NEED A VOTE FOR THAT. 16:56:15 >> LAURA: WE'LL NEED A VOTE 16:56:18 FOR BOTH SUBCOMMITTEES, RIGHT? 16:56:22 >> JUSTIN: WE CAN DO ONE. 16:56:26 >> LAURA: MATTHEW. >> IS THERE ANY 16:56:30 WAY WE CAN GET JUSTIN SOME SORT OF 16:56:33 SPOTLIGHT TO HOPE ILLUMINATE HIM? 16:56:37 >> JUSTIN: OH, YEAH. 16:56:41 >> MATTHEW IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING OUT OF A HORROR MOVIE. 16:56:45 >> LAURA: HE'S A SILL 16:56:49 YOU AET, COMPLETELY BACKLIT. 16:56:53 >> JUSTIN: I WILL ASK FOR A SOLUTION FOR THAT. 16:56:57 THANK YOU. >> LAURA: 16:57:00 THANK YOU, MATTHEW, GOOD POINT. 16:57:05 SO HEAR NOTHING OTHER 16:57:09 COMMENTS, LET US TAKE A VOTE ON THE SECOND SUBCOMMITTEE. 16:57:15 JUSTIN, YOU WANT TO CALL US OUT. >> JUSTIN: 16:57:19 LET'S DO IT. 16:57:23 [ROLL CALL] 16:58:03 >> JUSTIN: AWESOME, WE NOW HAVE TWO SUBCOMMITTEES. 16:58:07 GOOD JOB EVERYBODY. >> LAURA: WAY TO GO! 16:58:11 AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT BUT WE HAVE 16:58:14 THE MAIN AGENDA ITEM WITH THE DELIVERABLE FOR THE SEPTEMBER MEETING. 16:58:21 THANK YOU AMBER FOR PUSHING US. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. 16:58:25 KRISTINA, WE HAVE TIME FOR YOUR UNRELATED COMMENT. 16:58:29 >> KRISTINA: THIS FEELS A LITTLE 16:58:32 BIT LIKE PUSHING MY LUCK SINCE JUSTIN 16:58:35 YOU JUST OFFERED YOUR TIME TO DO TWO SUBCOMMITTEES. 16:58:39 BUT I AM JUST HAVING GROWING CONCERN ABOUT 16:58:42 HOW MANY FOLKS ARE SIGNING UP FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND 16:58:45 NOT ABLE TO TESTIFY FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. 16:58:57 CAN WE REACH OUT TO FOLKS AND FIND OUT IF 16:59:00 THERE'S A BARRIER THAT'S IN THE WAY? I'M CONCERNED WE'RE 16:59:03 NOT HEARING VOICES THAT AREN'T BEING 16:59:07 HEARD. >> ME AND MY COLLEAGUE, NICKY, WHO 16:59:10 RUNS THE FAIR HOUSING 16:59:14 VUZRY COMMITTEE, WE ARE DEVELOPING 16:59:20 PUBLIC TESTIMONY STANDARDS THAT WILL GO ON THE WEBSITE TO 16:59:23 HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT TO EXPECT. 16:59:27 I WILL RUN THIS BY HER AND HAVE A DISCUSSION 16:59:30 AROUND WHAT TO DO WITH PEOPLE WHO AREN'T SHOWING UP. 16:59:34 IT IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO REACH OUT TO DO A SURVEY 16:59:37 TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO ON OUR END. THANK 16:59:40 YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. 16:59:45 >> LAURA: THAT IS A GREAT POINT KRISTINA, 16:59:48 IT OCCURRED THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD 16:59:51 CHANGE THE TIME OF PUBLIC TESTIMONY. BUT BETTER TO 16:59:55 INVESTIGATE WHAT OTHER BARRIERS ARE THERE. 17:00:01 ALL RIGHT, WOW, I FEEL SO PRODUCTIVE. 17:00:09 TWO SUBCOMMITTEES AND AN AGENDA SET FOR SEPTEMBER, YEAH. 17:00:14 I'M BUYING ONE OF THOSE MEGABUCKS LOTTERY TICKETS. 17:00:21 ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE AT 17:00:24 5:00 ON THE NOSE. IF THERE'S NOTHING 17:00:27 ELSE, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR 17:00:30 COMMITMENT AND STICKING WITH THIS, AND GREAT IDEAS. APPRECIATE WORKING WITH YOU ALL. 17:00:35 >> THANK YOU, HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.